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Are you aware that things have changed in the last two and a half years? The CDC has been talking about the limitations of cloth masks for over a year! If you

Are you aware that things have changed in the last two and a half years? The CDC has been talking about the limitations of cloth masks for over a year! If you want to be upset at the lack of perfect guidance initially, fine, but don't pretend it's still that way.

themaninthedark 4y ago
I am aware that cloth masks are now no longer recommended and the limitations of them. I was aware of their limitations from the beginning, not in specifics but from a general understanding point of view. I am not upset at the lack of "perfect guidance". I am angry that we were lied to by top people who should have known better and I am saddened that we have a large cadre of scientists who are willing to spin and twist data to fit political winds in order to push a narrative. My overall point is that initially, when there was political will to limit general public use of masks, the messaging was that masks were ineffective. We had studies and science to back that up. Once the political message changed, all those studies and science were thrown out and new studies and science were brought in to back it up. The parent and context of this is to show how studies and science is not pure and has been bent to political will to back the prevailing attitude of the time. Down thread a commenter is talking about how "It showed that masks worked. Unscientific people with an agenda then sliced and diced it", that shows a lack of understanding of the situation where everyone(including/especially scientists) is playing games and it hurts us all. So when the political attitude says that HCQ is bad and not helpful for COVID and then we have a mountain of evidence and studies that show that, it is hard for someone who is trying to pay attention to really understand if it is harmful or not because of how political everything is. Please note that I have no opinion on HCQ myself. I have not taken it not nor do I plan on seeking it out if I get COVID as I think we already have other therapeutics that will work.
- peter422 4y ago
  Can you link me to the original studies that you are referring to about how masks were ineffective? I acknowledge there was confusing messaging to this effect very early on in the pandemic but I feel like it was corrected pretty quickly. People in my community were donating spare n95 masks to health care workers in March 2020.

themaninthedark 4y ago

I am aware that cloth masks are now no longer recommended and the limitations of them. I was aware of their limitations from the beginning, not in specifics but from a general understanding point of view. I am not upset at the lack of "perfect guidance". I am angry that we were lied to by top people who should have known better and I am saddened that we have a large cadre of scientists who are willing to spin and twist data to fit political winds in order to push a narrative. My overall point is that initially, when there was political will to limit general public use of masks, the messaging was that masks were ineffective. We had studies and science to back that up. Once the political message changed, all those studies and science were thrown out and new studies and science were brought in to back it up. The parent and context of this is to show how studies and science is not pure and has been bent to political will to back the prevailing attitude of the time. Down thread a commenter is talking about how "It showed that masks worked. Unscientific people with an agenda then sliced and diced it", that shows a lack of understanding of the situation where everyone(including/especially scientists) is playing games and it hurts us all. So when the political attitude says that HCQ is bad and not helpful for COVID and then we have a mountain of evidence and studies that show that, it is hard for someone who is trying to pay attention to really understand if it is harmful or not because of how political everything is. Please note that I have no opinion on HCQ myself. I have not taken it not nor do I plan on seeking it out if I get COVID as I think we already have other therapeutics that will work.

peter422 4y ago
Can you link me to the original studies that you are referring to about how masks were ineffective? I acknowledge there was confusing messaging to this effect very early on in the pandemic but I feel like it was corrected pretty quickly. People in my community were donating spare n95 masks to health care workers in March 2020.