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New York breaks the right to repair bill as it’s signed into law

28 points by jiwidi 4y ago

dmitrygr 4y ago
> The bill also won’t require OEMs to provide “passwords, security codes or materials” to bypass security features, which is sometimes necessary to do to save a locked, but otherwise functionally fine device. GOOD! The uselessness of locked iPhones is why they aren’t stolen as much. Keep this!
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  The security and theft-deterrence argument is bullshit that's conveniently used by the manufacturer to mislead people into ruling in their favour. You can keep security and theft-deterrence while allowing repairability - simply give the (per-device) keys to the user on a piece of paper/smartcard/etc, that way the legitimate owner can decide to override the security while thieves or bad guys won't have the required secret keys.
  - Waterluvian 4y ago
    I don’t think I follow how that changes the above case. The per device key can be the password the user sets up. They can remove, change, or share it when they go to resell the phone.
    - Zuiii 4y ago
      Not without that piece of paper they can't. What GP likely refers to is aken to a EUFI key that is printed on a piece of paper that you store in a safe place. Without this key, thieves or anyone else can't reset the phone.
      - dmitrygr 4y ago
        99.9 % of consumers will lose it.
        Zuiii 4y ago
        Then they can send their devices to apple.
- guiambros 4y ago
  Even the FTC says this argument is BS [1], conveniently created by manufacturers to defend the status quo. And Louis Rossmann has a more colorful and eloquent explanation [2] of why this bill neuters the entire right-to-repair effort. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fi... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI
- lost_tourist 4y ago
  Let's eliminate a major freedom given to consumers so that one corner case is optimized.
  - dmitrygr 4y ago
    As a consumer, I do not need you to speak for me and decide which freedoms matter to me more. I can do it myself. I prefer it this way.
    - than3 4y ago
      Yet those state government types don't listen to consumers. You voted them in, but can't necessarily vote them out.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago
  I am going to victim blame you for having such an expensive bicycle. Ride around on a cheap piece of crap that is cheap to replace when stolen. After all petty theft is part and parcel of living in the Big City.
stevespang 4y ago
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than3 4y ago
This was not a surprising outcome. Rossman lobbied for it for years and all he got for his trouble was a year long audit with potential fines in the six figures for a 0.11% error rate according to the accounting records, and then having to shut down his business in New York because they couldn't even tell him how to comply with the laws they said he was being fined in violation for. Great sound-clip on his youtube channel of their response. There's a clear reason businesses are leaving NY. These corporations spend millions buying and paying for politicians lobbying them to shill and kill those bills that would directly impact their market-share in a monopolized marketplace. Unfortunately, it will keep happening, and it just goes to show that there isn't true representation at the state levels for those governed areas. They voted 147 for, and 2 against, and then neutered the bill by switching out the rules on the barn wall at 11th hour just like in Animal Farm. In my opinion, its morally irredeemable graft, corruption and evil. They swore oaths when they entered office, which apparently mean little more than lip service compared to the lobbying they received. Its a sad state of affairs. When you over regulate and arbitrarily interfere with business relations, eventually those with options leave, and the locals pay the price as prosperity dries up. You would think a politician would have educated themselves enough to have read classics like the Wealth and Poverty of Nations, but we do live in an age of avarice, deceit, and hubris, where only the short term matters. As for me, I would never move to, nor do business in New York knowing how the state government there operates.

28 points by jiwidi 4y ago

> The bill also won’t require OEMs to provide “passwords, security codes or materials” to bypass security features, which is sometimes necessary to do to save a locked, but otherwise functionally fine device. GOOD! The uselessness of locked iPhones is why they aren’t stolen as much. Keep this!

Nextgrid 4y ago
The security and theft-deterrence argument is bullshit that's conveniently used by the manufacturer to mislead people into ruling in their favour. You can keep security and theft-deterrence while allowing repairability - simply give the (per-device) keys to the user on a piece of paper/smartcard/etc, that way the legitimate owner can decide to override the security while thieves or bad guys won't have the required secret keys.
- Waterluvian 4y ago
  I don’t think I follow how that changes the above case. The per device key can be the password the user sets up. They can remove, change, or share it when they go to resell the phone.
  - Zuiii 4y ago
    Not without that piece of paper they can't. What GP likely refers to is aken to a EUFI key that is printed on a piece of paper that you store in a safe place. Without this key, thieves or anyone else can't reset the phone.
    - dmitrygr 4y ago
      99.9 % of consumers will lose it.
      - Zuiii 4y ago
        Then they can send their devices to apple.
guiambros 4y ago
Even the FTC says this argument is BS [1], conveniently created by manufacturers to defend the status quo. And Louis Rossmann has a more colorful and eloquent explanation [2] of why this bill neuters the entire right-to-repair effort. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fix-ftc-report-congress-repair-restrictions/nixing_the_fix_report_final_5521_630pm-508_002.pdf https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/reports/nixing-fi... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGBB-717AI
lost_tourist 4y ago
Let's eliminate a major freedom given to consumers so that one corner case is optimized.
- dmitrygr 4y ago
  As a consumer, I do not need you to speak for me and decide which freedoms matter to me more. I can do it myself. I prefer it this way.
  - than3 4y ago
    Yet those state government types don't listen to consumers. You voted them in, but can't necessarily vote them out.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4y ago
I am going to victim blame you for having such an expensive bicycle. Ride around on a cheap piece of crap that is cheap to replace when stolen. After all petty theft is part and parcel of living in the Big City.

stevespang 4y ago

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than3 4y ago

This was not a surprising outcome. Rossman lobbied for it for years and all he got for his trouble was a year long audit with potential fines in the six figures for a 0.11% error rate according to the accounting records, and then having to shut down his business in New York because they couldn't even tell him how to comply with the laws they said he was being fined in violation for. Great sound-clip on his youtube channel of their response. There's a clear reason businesses are leaving NY. These corporations spend millions buying and paying for politicians lobbying them to shill and kill those bills that would directly impact their market-share in a monopolized marketplace. Unfortunately, it will keep happening, and it just goes to show that there isn't true representation at the state levels for those governed areas. They voted 147 for, and 2 against, and then neutered the bill by switching out the rules on the barn wall at 11th hour just like in Animal Farm. In my opinion, its morally irredeemable graft, corruption and evil. They swore oaths when they entered office, which apparently mean little more than lip service compared to the lobbying they received. Its a sad state of affairs. When you over regulate and arbitrarily interfere with business relations, eventually those with options leave, and the locals pay the price as prosperity dries up. You would think a politician would have educated themselves enough to have read classics like the Wealth and Poverty of Nations, but we do live in an age of avarice, deceit, and hubris, where only the short term matters. As for me, I would never move to, nor do business in New York knowing how the state government there operates.