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The left has learned well that changing definitions that make everything look and sound worse is a very good ploy, and works very well.

feet 4y ago
>intentional use of physical force or power, threatened[2] or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence
- zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
  This part specifically "violence of my data being harvested from me" Biometrics are not cool but a photo is not violent
  - feet 4y ago
    Collection of biometrics within a power-imbalanced relationship can be used to suppress and discriminate against groups of people which results in deprivation. Saying it's just a photo takes the entire thing out of context
    - Beltalowda 4y ago
      By this definition all of airplane security is violent. In, fact, all forms of security are. Actually, all forms of "someone being in charge" is.
siquick 4y ago
Let’s not pretend that both sides of the coin don’t do exactly the same thing.
mindslight 4y ago
I think you mean "social media addicts" in general - don't forget about "lockdown", "stop the steal", "assassination coordinates", etc. With shallow communication, inducing as much emotional impact as possible is unfortunately a winning strategy. Specifically here, when talking about a situation designed around individual agents readily exercising autocratic power including physical violence, the word "violence" doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. Very few people would choose to voluntarily unpack everything in their bags in a public place, for a stranger to look over. Pointing out the coercion based on implied violence from someone standing over you is actually the standard libertarian critique of government.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > "lockdown" How exactly was that word's definition twisted? Not being allowed outside like in <https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throwing-ball-daughter-due/story?id=70032966 https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throw...> seems perfectly in line with Merriam-Webster's definition 2b of it.
  - mindslight 4y ago
    The M-W definition 2b is from Covid, so it's not indicative. Re the article, it seems Mooney was legally in the right, which actually supports my point. So the story is really just about bog standard power tripping cops, and their general unaccountibility (did Mooney pursue and win his lawsuit? More critically, did the overstepping, needlessly violent, and needlessly covid-spreading cops ever suffer any repercussions for their behavior? good luck...) "Lockdown" implies that you yourself are locked down like definition 2a - ie stuck in your home. Some countries did this, and we're all familiar with the stories of apartment building doors welded shut in China. But the US overwhelmingly had stay at home suggestions. As far as I can tell, it was only a few counties in California that had bona fide stay at home orders. A lot of people thought the suggestions had the force of law, but they did not. And I wasn't going to correct them - that combination was the best we could have hoped for. Ultimately, the term "lockdown" is a motte and bailey term where the motte is evoking totalitarianism like China, with a fall back to defenses like "the paint was 'locked down' at Home Depot as it was deemed non-essential". I agree there were a lot of things that were closed that shouldn't have been. Other things were legitimately closed. And many things were closed with a crude justification, which was never reexamined or redefined with nuance. Collapsing it all to a singular hyperbolic narrative of "lockdown" ultimately just played on people's frustration with the existence of the pandemic, and made it difficult to have nuanced discussions about what were reasonable restrictions and what were not.
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dangus 4y ago
How do you know this individual is a member of "the left?" Did they show their membership card?
- richbell 4y ago
  > How do you know this individual is a member of "the left?" Did they show their membership card? A cursory glance of their posts makes it pretty obvious that they wouldn't be the type to vote Republican. I'd be willing to put money on that, and I'm not a betting man.
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  - dangus 4y ago
    You don’t have to be very far left to not vote for Republicans. So strange that not many members of marginalized groups vote for the party whose only discernible platform is harming marginalized groups.

feet 4y ago

>intentional use of physical force or power, threatened[2] or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence

zoklet-enjoyer 4y ago
This part specifically "violence of my data being harvested from me" Biometrics are not cool but a photo is not violent
- feet 4y ago
  Collection of biometrics within a power-imbalanced relationship can be used to suppress and discriminate against groups of people which results in deprivation. Saying it's just a photo takes the entire thing out of context
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    By this definition all of airplane security is violent. In, fact, all forms of security are. Actually, all forms of "someone being in charge" is.

siquick 4y ago

Let’s not pretend that both sides of the coin don’t do exactly the same thing.

mindslight 4y ago

I think you mean "social media addicts" in general - don't forget about "lockdown", "stop the steal", "assassination coordinates", etc. With shallow communication, inducing as much emotional impact as possible is unfortunately a winning strategy. Specifically here, when talking about a situation designed around individual agents readily exercising autocratic power including physical violence, the word "violence" doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. Very few people would choose to voluntarily unpack everything in their bags in a public place, for a stranger to look over. Pointing out the coercion based on implied violence from someone standing over you is actually the standard libertarian critique of government.

josephcsible 4y ago
> "lockdown" How exactly was that word's definition twisted? Not being allowed outside like in <https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throwing-ball-daughter-due/story?id=70032966 https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-arrested-park-throw...> seems perfectly in line with Merriam-Webster's definition 2b of it.
- mindslight 4y ago
  The M-W definition 2b is from Covid, so it's not indicative. Re the article, it seems Mooney was legally in the right, which actually supports my point. So the story is really just about bog standard power tripping cops, and their general unaccountibility (did Mooney pursue and win his lawsuit? More critically, did the overstepping, needlessly violent, and needlessly covid-spreading cops ever suffer any repercussions for their behavior? good luck...) "Lockdown" implies that you yourself are locked down like definition 2a - ie stuck in your home. Some countries did this, and we're all familiar with the stories of apartment building doors welded shut in China. But the US overwhelmingly had stay at home suggestions. As far as I can tell, it was only a few counties in California that had bona fide stay at home orders. A lot of people thought the suggestions had the force of law, but they did not. And I wasn't going to correct them - that combination was the best we could have hoped for. Ultimately, the term "lockdown" is a motte and bailey term where the motte is evoking totalitarianism like China, with a fall back to defenses like "the paint was 'locked down' at Home Depot as it was deemed non-essential". I agree there were a lot of things that were closed that shouldn't have been. Other things were legitimately closed. And many things were closed with a crude justification, which was never reexamined or redefined with nuance. Collapsing it all to a singular hyperbolic narrative of "lockdown" ultimately just played on people's frustration with the existence of the pandemic, and made it difficult to have nuanced discussions about what were reasonable restrictions and what were not.

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dangus 4y ago

How do you know this individual is a member of "the left?" Did they show their membership card?

richbell 4y ago
> How do you know this individual is a member of "the left?" Did they show their membership card? A cursory glance of their posts makes it pretty obvious that they wouldn't be the type to vote Republican. I'd be willing to put money on that, and I'm not a betting man.
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- dangus 4y ago
  You don’t have to be very far left to not vote for Republicans. So strange that not many members of marginalized groups vote for the party whose only discernible platform is harming marginalized groups.