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I have a very hard time resolving how this type of attack could fall under the umbrella of Anonymous. Saudis specifically attacking Israel implies a nationalis

I have a very hard time resolving how this type of attack could fall under the umbrella of Anonymous. Saudis specifically attacking Israel implies a nationalistic attitude, given their history. They also affiliate their hacker group with Wahabbism, which is a strict branch of Islam that most would brand as fundamentalist (and sometimes extreme). I can't really see the ideals of Anonymous coexisting with nationalism and religious fundamentalism.

pjscott 15y ago
It's inspired by the Anonymous style: find someone you dislike, attack their computers somehow (e.g. private information theft, DDoS, web site defacing), and brag about it online. The ideals are very different, but the method is pretty similar.
- noduerme 15y ago
  The difference being that the people involved wouldn't be aware there was oil under their feet if our country hadn't invented the market for it, told them it was there and given them the equipment to drill it. Left to their own devices, the only thing they'd be hacking right now would be the back end of a camel. What do you think the chances are that their brute force method wasn't one of a million snippets written by someone in the west? Or in Israel, for that matter? How about the computers they used to get on the network they benefit from, but didn't create? Reckon the intel chips were made in Israel? After all the petty bullshit, Saudis like to party too. The problem is their government and society is repressive as hell, and they're so scared to confront it, they have to go into this whole make-believe world where they act as heroes by attacking Israeli servers. It's pretty funny. I'm sure Israelis will recover. The Saudis on the other hand still live in a medieval hellhole where women can't drive a car... and this really doesn't do much to change anything. Their time and energy would be better spent trying to bring civilization to their own wasteland. [Edit] I should add, the fact that if you did this in your own country, you'd probably have your hands cut off, is a powerful motivation to go after somebody with more liberal values.
  - agilo 15y ago
    Ironic how despite all this, the american government finds it fit to support this repressive regime, while demonizing countries like Syria where citizens (or at least women) enjoy greater freedoms. One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. The fact of the matter is that, countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen, old Egypt, North Korea etc. have normalized or at least neutral relations with Israel (despite the hypocritical rhetoric to appease the masses), and hence are supported or allowed to have their way (even their bombs). I think this hacking incident is a mere accident, and the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again.
    - berntb 15y ago
      >>demonizing countries like Syria How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? >>One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. >>the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#Saudi_Arabia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... This is a model of what happens there without conspiracy theories: Saudi Arabia is needed as an ally by the US. It is called "realpolitik" -- all countries, including democracies, use it and lie about it. (The difference with democracies is that they do support human rights, as long as it doesn't cost too much.) North Korea sells/sold nuclear tech to Syria/Iran; are you really claiming they have "neutral" relations with Israel? And so on... please don't write this kind of thing on HN.
      - rbanffy 15y ago
        I would say this whole thread took a wrong turn with noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an plain racist post. We would all have gained something had it never existed.
        ThaddeusQuay2 15y ago
        "We would all have gained something had it never existed." Fuck off, Mr. Wannabe Censor. Progress requires unfettered conversation of all types, not just the ones of which you approve. "... noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an[d] plain racist post." It was none of those things. What he said is basically correct, and it reminded me of 2005's Syriana, in which there was a conversation between Matt Damon as Bryan Woodman, an energy analyst, and Alexander Siddig as Prince Nasir Al-Subaai, successor to the Emir. NASIR: An ancestor of mine owned this bird's [falcon's] ancestor before Christ was born. Six more North Field blocks will be available for development. We would like to offer your firm the right to represent them. WOODMAN: If I were your economic advisor I'd tell you it's not the dumbest thing you've ever done, but it'll probably be the dumbest thing you do today. Probably. But why would you need an economic advisor? Twenty years ago you had the highest GNP in the world and now you're tied with Paraguay. Your second biggest export is second-hand goods. Followed by dates on which you lose five cents a pound. You want to know what the business world thinks of you. They think a hundred years ago you were chopping each other's heads off in the desert and that's exactly where you'll be in another hundred. So, yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana I included the first sentence, about the falcon, because it shows that Nasir is proud of his people having been around for a long time, but that apparent plus is effectively countered by Woodman's observation about their primitive nature, and how the oil money is really the only thing keeping them from regressing. Sure, the film is fictional, but there is a lot of truth to be found in it.
rdtsc 15y ago
> I have a very hard time resolving how this type of attack could fall under the umbrella of Anonymous Well the hackers have not identified themselves by name so they are ... anonymous. Isn't that the idea behind Anonymous, that anyone who is anonymous can claim to be Anonymous?

pjscott 15y ago

It's inspired by the Anonymous style: find someone you dislike, attack their computers somehow (e.g. private information theft, DDoS, web site defacing), and brag about it online. The ideals are very different, but the method is pretty similar.

noduerme 15y ago
The difference being that the people involved wouldn't be aware there was oil under their feet if our country hadn't invented the market for it, told them it was there and given them the equipment to drill it. Left to their own devices, the only thing they'd be hacking right now would be the back end of a camel. What do you think the chances are that their brute force method wasn't one of a million snippets written by someone in the west? Or in Israel, for that matter? How about the computers they used to get on the network they benefit from, but didn't create? Reckon the intel chips were made in Israel? After all the petty bullshit, Saudis like to party too. The problem is their government and society is repressive as hell, and they're so scared to confront it, they have to go into this whole make-believe world where they act as heroes by attacking Israeli servers. It's pretty funny. I'm sure Israelis will recover. The Saudis on the other hand still live in a medieval hellhole where women can't drive a car... and this really doesn't do much to change anything. Their time and energy would be better spent trying to bring civilization to their own wasteland. [Edit] I should add, the fact that if you did this in your own country, you'd probably have your hands cut off, is a powerful motivation to go after somebody with more liberal values.
- agilo 15y ago
  Ironic how despite all this, the american government finds it fit to support this repressive regime, while demonizing countries like Syria where citizens (or at least women) enjoy greater freedoms. One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. The fact of the matter is that, countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen, old Egypt, North Korea etc. have normalized or at least neutral relations with Israel (despite the hypocritical rhetoric to appease the masses), and hence are supported or allowed to have their way (even their bombs). I think this hacking incident is a mere accident, and the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again.
  - berntb 15y ago
    >>demonizing countries like Syria How can you "demonize" that type of brutal regimes? What more can you say about them? That Assad eats children? >>One could say it all depends on your stance vis-a-vis Israel. >>the ruling Saudis will be quick to repress it and assure Israel none of this will happen again Sigh, so Saudi Arabia is pro Israel? :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#Saudi_Arabia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world#... This is a model of what happens there without conspiracy theories: Saudi Arabia is needed as an ally by the US. It is called "realpolitik" -- all countries, including democracies, use it and lie about it. (The difference with democracies is that they do support human rights, as long as it doesn't cost too much.) North Korea sells/sold nuclear tech to Syria/Iran; are you really claiming they have "neutral" relations with Israel? And so on... please don't write this kind of thing on HN.
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      I would say this whole thread took a wrong turn with noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an plain racist post. We would all have gained something had it never existed.
      - ThaddeusQuay2 15y ago
        "We would all have gained something had it never existed." Fuck off, Mr. Wannabe Censor. Progress requires unfettered conversation of all types, not just the ones of which you approve. "... noduerme's deeply rude, ignorant, arrogant an[d] plain racist post." It was none of those things. What he said is basically correct, and it reminded me of 2005's Syriana, in which there was a conversation between Matt Damon as Bryan Woodman, an energy analyst, and Alexander Siddig as Prince Nasir Al-Subaai, successor to the Emir. NASIR: An ancestor of mine owned this bird's [falcon's] ancestor before Christ was born. Six more North Field blocks will be available for development. We would like to offer your firm the right to represent them. WOODMAN: If I were your economic advisor I'd tell you it's not the dumbest thing you've ever done, but it'll probably be the dumbest thing you do today. Probably. But why would you need an economic advisor? Twenty years ago you had the highest GNP in the world and now you're tied with Paraguay. Your second biggest export is second-hand goods. Followed by dates on which you lose five cents a pound. You want to know what the business world thinks of you. They think a hundred years ago you were chopping each other's heads off in the desert and that's exactly where you'll be in another hundred. So, yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana I included the first sentence, about the falcon, because it shows that Nasir is proud of his people having been around for a long time, but that apparent plus is effectively countered by Woodman's observation about their primitive nature, and how the oil money is really the only thing keeping them from regressing. Sure, the film is fictional, but there is a lot of truth to be found in it.

rdtsc 15y ago

> I have a very hard time resolving how this type of attack could fall under the umbrella of Anonymous Well the hackers have not identified themselves by name so they are ... anonymous. Isn't that the idea behind Anonymous, that anyone who is anonymous can claim to be Anonymous?