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I honestly don't have any horse in this race: Pelé probably was an all-around great guy. To call a lifetime of ignoring your child "one mistake" feels like a mi

I honestly don't have any horse in this race: Pelé probably was an all-around great guy. To call a lifetime of ignoring your child "one mistake" feels like a mischaracterization, though. It might not even be considered a bad thing, but it's definitely an ongoing decision. As an analogy, I eat meat. Future generations might see that as immoral. It's definitely not a mistake I made one time, though, it's an ongoing choice that I'm making repeatedly over the course of my life.

diegoholiveira 4y ago
A mistake is required to be a “one time thing”? There’s no “continues mistake”? I do believe he’s super wrong on this subject, but not even for a moment I consider him as a bad person because of that.
- osrec 4y ago
  You are more forgiving than a lot of people. I know very little about football or Pele, but this particular "mistake" seems like a biggie. It's like you be a nice guy 99.9% of the time, but in the remaining percent you murder someone. All your niceness is nullified by your single action.
- optymizer 4y ago
  It's not like he forgot to tip the waitress. He rejected his own daughter. How would you like it if your father actively tried to ignore your existence? Have some empathy for a fellow human being. It's horrible behavior, regardless of Pele's fame.
psychphysic 4y ago
It's a bit weird though, I can't imagine disowning a child but why not? People put kids up for adoption. It's really weird to insist on using your biological father's surname if they disown you.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  Adoption and disowning have very different connotations. Generally adoption is seen as a best attempt to find someone who can take care of the kid. Generally disowning is seen as just washing your hands of the situation I think.
  - psychphysic 4y ago
    It's a very unfortunate situation. But what grosses me out is if Pelé were not who he is. She wouldn't have been so insistent on using his name. I doubt it was a yearning to connect with her ancestor that lead to it and not money and fame. She had a mum, use her surname she raised you!
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      I dunno, never met her, not able to analyze her motives. That seems like a lot to project on a person who died in 2006 though. Perhaps she felt like she deserved to be treated like the rest of his children or something.
      - psychphysic 4y ago
        > Perhaps she felt like she deserved to be treated like the rest of his children or something. You think ahe tried to sue him into loving her? That's so gross.
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        nextaccountic 4y ago
        It's not sue him into loving her. It's sue him to address a gross violation of her rights.
numbsafari 4y ago
It’s only a misteak if you eat at Geno’s. Don’t make a misteak, eat at Pat’s.

diegoholiveira 4y ago

A mistake is required to be a “one time thing”? There’s no “continues mistake”? I do believe he’s super wrong on this subject, but not even for a moment I consider him as a bad person because of that.

osrec 4y ago
You are more forgiving than a lot of people. I know very little about football or Pele, but this particular "mistake" seems like a biggie. It's like you be a nice guy 99.9% of the time, but in the remaining percent you murder someone. All your niceness is nullified by your single action.
optymizer 4y ago
It's not like he forgot to tip the waitress. He rejected his own daughter. How would you like it if your father actively tried to ignore your existence? Have some empathy for a fellow human being. It's horrible behavior, regardless of Pele's fame.

psychphysic 4y ago

It's a bit weird though, I can't imagine disowning a child but why not? People put kids up for adoption. It's really weird to insist on using your biological father's surname if they disown you.

bee_rider 4y ago
Adoption and disowning have very different connotations. Generally adoption is seen as a best attempt to find someone who can take care of the kid. Generally disowning is seen as just washing your hands of the situation I think.
- psychphysic 4y ago
  It's a very unfortunate situation. But what grosses me out is if Pelé were not who he is. She wouldn't have been so insistent on using his name. I doubt it was a yearning to connect with her ancestor that lead to it and not money and fame. She had a mum, use her surname she raised you!
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I dunno, never met her, not able to analyze her motives. That seems like a lot to project on a person who died in 2006 though. Perhaps she felt like she deserved to be treated like the rest of his children or something.
    - psychphysic 4y ago
      > Perhaps she felt like she deserved to be treated like the rest of his children or something. You think ahe tried to sue him into loving her? That's so gross.
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      - nextaccountic 4y ago
        It's not sue him into loving her. It's sue him to address a gross violation of her rights.

numbsafari 4y ago

It’s only a misteak if you eat at Geno’s. Don’t make a misteak, eat at Pat’s.