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My Uk school was still doing collective punishment beatings (“Who spoke?” (No-one replies) (30 boys get caned) ) in the early 80s.

aaomidi 4y ago
Physical punishment is still legal in school & home in ton of US states.
- jasonfarnon 4y ago
  It is legal in every home of the US. It is legal in many states' public schools. We were spanked in Houston public schools through the 90s. And it was a lot milder than what my cousins in Calcutta got. Good stuff.
  - Tams80 4y ago
    If I recall correctly, it was illegal by the 90s in the UK. That didn't stop the odd occasion of it happening. The cane remained on the wall as a relic, but there was always a handy slipper around.
pc86 4y ago
Abuse in a school setting 40+ years ago is not all that surprising.
- vmilner 4y ago
  I think early 80s is when it becomes tricky to _legally_ beat kids in schools in the uk. I suspect collective punishment was actually illegal long before that but it wasn’t tested in courts.
LAC-Tech 4y ago
Well has it worked? Have you knifed anyone?
- dijksterhuis 4y ago
  You cannot say “well you probably haven’t done this one, specific, highly unlikely thing for someone in the UK to do. So yeah caning probably worked, right!” I haven’t knived anyone. I was never caned at school. The absence of someone doing a thing is not proof of a thing doing what you believe it does.
- DieAgainAli 4y ago
  You act like ‘back in my day’ there wasn’t any crime. If you look at murder rates in the UK they peaked in the early 2000’s. Maybe those abused boys were taught violence is the answer? Letting your baby ‘cry it out’ is abuse in my eyes and you can sleep train them without doing this. With my daughter we soothed her in her cot instead of picking her up. She will now link her sleep cycles and only cry when there is something wrong
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    Glad to see the UK is past their murder rate peak - what's the rate now, merely double what it was in 50s or the Edwardian Era?
    - talideon 4y ago
      The murder rate in the UK tracked the presence of environmental lead from things like paint, leaded petrol, &. The murder rate in the UK is now trending towards what it was in the Edwardian period, when it was introduced. Beating children doesn't make them obedient and law-abiding adults.
  - wolpoli 4y ago
    > If you look at murder rates in the UK they peaked in the early 2000’s. Maybe those abused boys were taught violence is the answer? There were earlier HN posts attributing the decline in the rate of murder rate/violence crime to countries phasing out lead-gasoline. Now we might never know unless we do a properly controlled experiment.
    - 4y ago

aaomidi 4y ago

Physical punishment is still legal in school & home in ton of US states.

jasonfarnon 4y ago
It is legal in every home of the US. It is legal in many states' public schools. We were spanked in Houston public schools through the 90s. And it was a lot milder than what my cousins in Calcutta got. Good stuff.
- Tams80 4y ago
  If I recall correctly, it was illegal by the 90s in the UK. That didn't stop the odd occasion of it happening. The cane remained on the wall as a relic, but there was always a handy slipper around.

pc86 4y ago

Abuse in a school setting 40+ years ago is not all that surprising.

vmilner 4y ago
I think early 80s is when it becomes tricky to _legally_ beat kids in schools in the uk. I suspect collective punishment was actually illegal long before that but it wasn’t tested in courts.

LAC-Tech 4y ago

Well has it worked? Have you knifed anyone?

dijksterhuis 4y ago
You cannot say “well you probably haven’t done this one, specific, highly unlikely thing for someone in the UK to do. So yeah caning probably worked, right!” I haven’t knived anyone. I was never caned at school. The absence of someone doing a thing is not proof of a thing doing what you believe it does.
DieAgainAli 4y ago
You act like ‘back in my day’ there wasn’t any crime. If you look at murder rates in the UK they peaked in the early 2000’s. Maybe those abused boys were taught violence is the answer? Letting your baby ‘cry it out’ is abuse in my eyes and you can sleep train them without doing this. With my daughter we soothed her in her cot instead of picking her up. She will now link her sleep cycles and only cry when there is something wrong
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  Glad to see the UK is past their murder rate peak - what's the rate now, merely double what it was in 50s or the Edwardian Era?
  - talideon 4y ago
    The murder rate in the UK tracked the presence of environmental lead from things like paint, leaded petrol, &. The murder rate in the UK is now trending towards what it was in the Edwardian period, when it was introduced. Beating children doesn't make them obedient and law-abiding adults.
- wolpoli 4y ago
  > If you look at murder rates in the UK they peaked in the early 2000’s. Maybe those abused boys were taught violence is the answer? There were earlier HN posts attributing the decline in the rate of murder rate/violence crime to countries phasing out lead-gasoline. Now we might never know unless we do a properly controlled experiment.
  - 4y ago