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I loved the Netflix documentary. So much history about the man himself, about soccer (fútbol / futbol), and about Brazil

kaycebasques 4y ago
I was very impressed with how honest he was about himself. He didn't downplay or avoid his own mistakes and shortcomings yet he also didn't seem to have much guilt or anguish about them. I left that documentary respecting him even more.
cambalache 4y ago
> fútbol futebol
schoen 4y ago
There is a banned commenter who tried to reply to you to point out (without any substantive explanation) that fútbol is the Spanish word, while futebol is Portuguese. So Pelé himself would have referred to his sport as "futebol".
- smn1234 4y ago
  valid
- chrisbaker98 4y ago
  Pronounced "foo-chee-BOW"
  - schoen 4y ago
    Definitely, Wiktionary even has the IPA /fu.t͡ʃiˈbɔw/. The "e" in futebol -- written and spoken -- is an epenthetic vowel due to Brazilian Portuguese phototactics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epenthesis#Breaking_consonant_clusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epenthesis#Breaking_consonant_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonotactics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonotactics This is a fancy way of saying that Portuguese, unlike English, really doesn't like "tb" occurring together with no vowel in between, so people added one! (In other words that have a longer history you sometimes don't have the vowel written, but it's commonly still spoken, like advogado /a.d͡ʒi.voˈɡa.du/ 'lawyer', from Latin advocatus. IPA again from Wiktionary.)
- dang 4y ago
  You should vouch for good comments by banned commenters. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch for how.) Others have done so, so https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34177229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34177229 is restored now.
  - schoen 4y ago
    Oh, I was looking for that but didn't remember that I had to click on the timestamp. Thanks for the reminder. I'm not sure I would call the original comment a "good" comment; it was pretty low-effort since it just consisted of a single word and didn't mention "Spanish" or "Portuguese" at all. But it wasn't a malicious comment and it had a point.

kaycebasques 4y ago

I was very impressed with how honest he was about himself. He didn't downplay or avoid his own mistakes and shortcomings yet he also didn't seem to have much guilt or anguish about them. I left that documentary respecting him even more.

cambalache 4y ago

> fútbol futebol

schoen 4y ago

There is a banned commenter who tried to reply to you to point out (without any substantive explanation) that fútbol is the Spanish word, while futebol is Portuguese. So Pelé himself would have referred to his sport as "futebol".

smn1234 4y ago
valid
chrisbaker98 4y ago
Pronounced "foo-chee-BOW"
- schoen 4y ago
  Definitely, Wiktionary even has the IPA /fu.t͡ʃiˈbɔw/. The "e" in futebol -- written and spoken -- is an epenthetic vowel due to Brazilian Portuguese phototactics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epenthesis#Breaking_consonant_clusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epenthesis#Breaking_consonant_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonotactics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonotactics This is a fancy way of saying that Portuguese, unlike English, really doesn't like "tb" occurring together with no vowel in between, so people added one! (In other words that have a longer history you sometimes don't have the vowel written, but it's commonly still spoken, like advogado /a.d͡ʒi.voˈɡa.du/ 'lawyer', from Latin advocatus. IPA again from Wiktionary.)
dang 4y ago
You should vouch for good comments by banned commenters. (See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cvouch for how.) Others have done so, so https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34177229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34177229 is restored now.
- schoen 4y ago
  Oh, I was looking for that but didn't remember that I had to click on the timestamp. Thanks for the reminder. I'm not sure I would call the original comment a "good" comment; it was pretty low-effort since it just consisted of a single word and didn't mention "Spanish" or "Portuguese" at all. But it wasn't a malicious comment and it had a point.