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I don’t think this solves one of the huge problems with culture on the internet right now, which is stacks vs queues with only a few exceptions[1], all social

I don’t think this solves one of the huge problems with culture on the internet right now, which is stacks vs queues with only a few exceptions[1], all social media, including HN, present information to you in a stack, most recent first, mostly with no option to change that. this forces everything to be shallow, surface-level and understandable to beginners, otherwise you don’t attract new viewers or followers even beyond losing their attention spans, people are being trained out of learning things in depth. of building upon knowledge. it’s sad and it’s probably going to be damaging in years to come [1] - youtube playlists are the only exception that jumps to mind, but even youtube is driving hard in the other direction, removing “sort by oldest” from channels and heavily pushing shorts

aj7 4y ago
I had hoped Elon would work on things like this.
- permo-w 4y ago
  maybe he will. I doubt it though
joshlemer 4y ago
Could you expand on this? I struggle to think of how a site like HN or Reddit could work in a first-in-first-out fashion while also taking into account vote score. Perhaps you mean that a post's score should not decay over time and fall off the front page, or at least should do so more slowly? Or it should be able to be bumped to the front if there's new activity (comments/votes)? Would be interest to hear your thoughts
- Bonooru 4y ago
  Not OP, but you could have a priority queue where you acknowledge each element as up/down/neutral and the change in score that you provide would affect it's location in other people's queues.
- permo-w 4y ago
  well there could be more scope for playlist-style content. this especially applies to reddit and HN (and twitter I suppose, although I’d probably exempt Twitter from my criticism in the first place as it’s supposed to be a bit ephemeral and shallow). users could collate content into “playlists” which would then be voted into a no-or-slow-decay alternative frontpage in order to allow new content to rise, you’d either need a pretty complex algorithm, or just another “new” page

aj7 4y ago

I had hoped Elon would work on things like this.

permo-w 4y ago
maybe he will. I doubt it though

joshlemer 4y ago

Could you expand on this? I struggle to think of how a site like HN or Reddit could work in a first-in-first-out fashion while also taking into account vote score. Perhaps you mean that a post's score should not decay over time and fall off the front page, or at least should do so more slowly? Or it should be able to be bumped to the front if there's new activity (comments/votes)? Would be interest to hear your thoughts

Bonooru 4y ago
Not OP, but you could have a priority queue where you acknowledge each element as up/down/neutral and the change in score that you provide would affect it's location in other people's queues.
permo-w 4y ago
well there could be more scope for playlist-style content. this especially applies to reddit and HN (and twitter I suppose, although I’d probably exempt Twitter from my criticism in the first place as it’s supposed to be a bit ephemeral and shallow). users could collate content into “playlists” which would then be voted into a no-or-slow-decay alternative frontpage in order to allow new content to rise, you’d either need a pretty complex algorithm, or just another “new” page