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>Ending slavery isn't controversial Of course it isn't. What is not obvious is what replaces it that isn't de facto slavery or even reduces opportunities for p

>Ending slavery isn't controversial Of course it isn't. What is not obvious is what replaces it that isn't de facto slavery or even reduces opportunities for people so that they are exploited elsewhere. Nor how the replacement is monitored for effectiveness and compliance. It is easy to say that slavery is bad and make it illegal. Fixing the actual problems in monarchies/dictatorships and impoverished countries with little opportunity is not easy or simple. The fact that a lot of slaves are not technically slaves but officially and legally "employed" makes the issue pretty plain to see. How do you see the solution to compliance in Middle Eastern monarchies and even in Western democracies where it is already illegal but happens none the less? I assume you are going to go out and implement these right away if it is so easy and obvious. You are looking for equitable solutions in places that explicitly do not value them. Improving that is hard, if it is not already obvious.

blagie 4y ago
I don't have a solution -- which is why I called for a discussion -- but in this specific context, I think a lot of this comes back to framing this with regards to local value systems. This is a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery Another good starting point is prestige and how it impacts perceptions of individuals involved. A lot of the framing in this discussion carry a lot of Western baggage which is likely to rub people the wrong way in the Middle East. I can think of several solutions which I think could at least be more effective than what the West is doing; I do think there is room for prestige projects here. I'm not sure how helpful that would be, since in terms of "implementing," I don't know any Saudi royalty. Do you?

blagie 4y ago

I don't have a solution -- which is why I called for a discussion -- but in this specific context, I think a lot of this comes back to framing this with regards to local value systems. This is a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery Another good starting point is prestige and how it impacts perceptions of individuals involved. A lot of the framing in this discussion carry a lot of Western baggage which is likely to rub people the wrong way in the Middle East. I can think of several solutions which I think could at least be more effective than what the West is doing; I do think there is room for prestige projects here. I'm not sure how helpful that would be, since in terms of "implementing," I don't know any Saudi royalty. Do you?