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We were about to be a two Tesla house this year and now there is 0% chance we’ll be that after the latest shenanigans. Although my car is well made, I’m a litt

We were about to be a two Tesla house this year and now there is 0% chance we’ll be that after the latest shenanigans. Although my car is well made, I’m a little embarrassed to drive it around now.

globalreset 4y ago
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brink 4y ago
> the latest shenanigans Which shenanigans are you referring to?
- CydeWeys 4y ago
  Everything Elon has done on Twitter over the past couple months. My mom is in the same situation; she was considering a Tesla but now won't be caught dead in one.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
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    - jfk13 4y ago
      I don't think that follows at all. Twitter is quite unimportant to me: I don't tweet, and very rarely look at anyone else's tweets either. Yet I'm fairly aware of Musk's behavior during and since the takeover, and while I admit I already had a somewhat negative view of him thanks to some earlier episodes, the Twitter saga has well and truly poisoned his personal brand (in my view).
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        Well I responded to somebody who was evidently fine with Musk until the twitter shit.
  - brink 4y ago
    Which is what though? Like what specifically has he done? I'm genuinely curious what people are offended about.
    - Rebelgecko 4y ago
      Supporting the Russian invaders, calling for prosecution of Fauci (for what crime? And doubly ironic considering his tweets about how covid would be down to 0 cases by April 2020), tweets supporting Kanye, joking about sexually harassing his employees, spreading baseless conspiracy theories from disinfo sites like the Santa Monica Observer, etc I'd like to think he's just being an edgelord to drive engagement on his platform, but considering he tweeted stupid stuff before he owned twitter (eg accusing his critics of being pedophiles), I have my doubts.
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  - lottin 4y ago
    The past couple of months? He's been an arse for as as long as I remember.
mathaway 4y ago
Wait until you find out Henry Ford’s politics. Or Volkswagon’s history. Although obviously it’s not as bad as a man promoting free speech and criticizing postmodernism.
- hotcoffeebear 4y ago
  How many decades ago are we talking about?
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Surely there's no difference between people who have been dead for decades and someone who chooses every day to actively put himself in the spotlight by doing stuff ranging from stupid to awful. Really sad fall from grace for Elon. Could've just kept working.
- vanilla_nut 4y ago
  Sure, plenty of other carmakers have committed vile sins. But the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current, which makes it harder to stomach than Henry Ford's anti-semitism over 100 years ago. And let's not pretend Elon is sticking up for "free speech." He's censoring folks who don't agree with him. That isn't free speech, unless you subscribe to fascist definitions of "free speech."
  - bilbo0s 4y ago
    the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current I don't understand how people don't get this? It's like saying "Trump's bad, but what about Thomas Jefferson and slavery!" It just leaves people scratching their heads.
  - newZWhoDis 4y ago
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    - vgt 4y ago
      https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-starts-banning-critical-journalists-from-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... https://time.com/6229960/twitter-bans-accounts-elon-musk-impersonators/ https://time.com/6229960/twitter-bans-accounts-elon-musk-imp...
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toomuchtodo 4y ago
We’re a 3 Tesla household. I have no regrets. Telsa is made up of tens of thousands of workers. Elon is one person. The org will outlive him. If I made my purchasing decisions according to the personal failings of the corporate executive teams of all of consumer and durable goods, I might as well live in a tent in the woods. Used Tesla pricing going down is great, makes EV mobility affordable for the less well off. If you associate with someone who judges you for your vehicle purchase, find better people!
- sassyonsunday 4y ago
  > If I made my purchasing decisions according to the personal failings of the corporate executive teams of all of consumer and durable goods, I might as well live in a tent in the woods. Elon Musk's involvement with the companies he is associated with is not the usual involvement that an executive team would have. His personal brand is intermingled with the products he sells and cars are a way of signaling social status whether we like it or not. There are certainly people for whom buying a new Tesla would decrease their social capital which could have negative impacts in other areas of their life (relevant to HN, social capital converts to actual capital in many cases by opening up business opportunities). We're in a grace period right now when it comes to driving a Tesla, where people who already owned one can't really be blamed for supporting Musk, but the day has already arrived when buying a new one will signal poor taste and lack of social acumen to much of the white collar class. Vulgarity is relative so if your crowd isn't this crowd, fine. But you can't blame people for wanting to avoid putting stigma on themselves when there are other EVs on the market nearly as good as Teslas which don't have the same toxicity.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    Oh no, signaling poor taste. The travesty. Let others live their life according to the whims of “the white collar class.” I’m going to enjoy what I enjoy, and I’d like to associate with like minded folks.
    - sassyonsunday 4y ago
TheHypnotist 4y ago
The amount of stories about the shit construction was enough for me to back off. No thanks.
- bilbo0s 4y ago
  This is their real problem long term. Elon is a loud mouthed idiot, but the world is full of loud mouthed idiots. What's lasting, however, is that reputation for making poorly built vehicles. Even today, people would rather buy Japanese, Korean, or German than to buy, say, a buick. All because the reputation for making poorly built vehicles was never shaken by some American auto makers. I think Tesla will suffer the same fate, because to date, they haven't even conceded that they may have an issue.
- ffssffss 4y ago
  The styling looks really dated now too. Look at a Tesla next to one of the new Mercedes or BMW EV models. It's not good.
  - VirusNewbie 4y ago
    I think the S still looks amazing. True about all the other models (including the one I own….)
tmn 4y ago
Why would you do something that embarrasses you? You're obviously well enough off if you were planning on having two Tesla vehicles. Get rid of your Tesla and bring your self in congruence with your virtues.
everdrive 4y ago
I believe the best answer here is a well-needed step back from CEO worship. Musk didn't build these cars, and yes, the CEO has an impact on things, but probably not as much as some people think. An interesting counterpoint to Musk's latest shenanigans: perhaps his companies were successful despite him?
- AYBABTME 4y ago
  Hero vs. vilain real life storytelling is something we see too much of, and I'm always amazed that otherwise smart people partake in this without seeming to realize. Is it just me or hasn't everyone been taught that idolization (and it's reverse) is generally not good?
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    Musk played into the hero narrative for years, endeavoring to make people believe he was the literal savior of humanity. He's spent years encouraging people to have extreme characterizations of him. Neither a great hero nor a great villain is a nuanced character, and therefore one can easily become another when the context changes.
    - AYBABTME 4y ago
      He may or may not have done this, the responsibility to fall for hero worship still lies with yourself.
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        He certainly did it, every time he said that SpaceX's purpose was literally, not figuratively, to save humanity. He was positioning himself and Tesla in the same sort of way; 'buy my EV to save the planet.' In any case, I have no hero worship to apologize for. Not with regard to Musk anyway.
    - everdrive 4y ago
      Blame is often less useful than people think. Is it the audience's fault for falling for it? Or is it Musk's fault for encouraging it? I'm not sure that it really matters. The lesson should be clear, though. CEOs can't save the world, and people who have been successful previously may still be foolish in the future.
dibt 4y ago
This seems so odd to me. A CEO's politics never factor into deciding to purchase a product. Would you tolerate a poor product experience if you agreed with the CEO's politics?
- travisporter 4y ago
  Rational or not, it is a phenomenon. https://hbr.org/2016/06/is-it-safe-for-ceos-to-voice-strong-political-opinions https://hbr.org/2016/06/is-it-safe-for-ceos-to-voice-strong-.... I think Musk being so outspoken only amplifies it one way or another.
elif 4y ago
I also planned to go from a leaf+tesla household to a double-tesla household, but likewise recently had a change of heart. However, for me it's because I've been blown away with the versatility and dependability of the model Y so I see no reason to get a new car for the next decade.

globalreset 4y ago

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brink 4y ago

> the latest shenanigans Which shenanigans are you referring to?

CydeWeys 4y ago
Everything Elon has done on Twitter over the past couple months. My mom is in the same situation; she was considering a Tesla but now won't be caught dead in one.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
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  - jfk13 4y ago
    I don't think that follows at all. Twitter is quite unimportant to me: I don't tweet, and very rarely look at anyone else's tweets either. Yet I'm fairly aware of Musk's behavior during and since the takeover, and while I admit I already had a somewhat negative view of him thanks to some earlier episodes, the Twitter saga has well and truly poisoned his personal brand (in my view).
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Well I responded to somebody who was evidently fine with Musk until the twitter shit.
- brink 4y ago
  Which is what though? Like what specifically has he done? I'm genuinely curious what people are offended about.
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    Supporting the Russian invaders, calling for prosecution of Fauci (for what crime? And doubly ironic considering his tweets about how covid would be down to 0 cases by April 2020), tweets supporting Kanye, joking about sexually harassing his employees, spreading baseless conspiracy theories from disinfo sites like the Santa Monica Observer, etc I'd like to think he's just being an edgelord to drive engagement on his platform, but considering he tweeted stupid stuff before he owned twitter (eg accusing his critics of being pedophiles), I have my doubts.
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- lottin 4y ago
  The past couple of months? He's been an arse for as as long as I remember.

mathaway 4y ago

Wait until you find out Henry Ford’s politics. Or Volkswagon’s history. Although obviously it’s not as bad as a man promoting free speech and criticizing postmodernism.

hotcoffeebear 4y ago
How many decades ago are we talking about?
ethanbond 4y ago
Surely there's no difference between people who have been dead for decades and someone who chooses every day to actively put himself in the spotlight by doing stuff ranging from stupid to awful. Really sad fall from grace for Elon. Could've just kept working.
vanilla_nut 4y ago
Sure, plenty of other carmakers have committed vile sins. But the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current, which makes it harder to stomach than Henry Ford's anti-semitism over 100 years ago. And let's not pretend Elon is sticking up for "free speech." He's censoring folks who don't agree with him. That isn't free speech, unless you subscribe to fascist definitions of "free speech."
- bilbo0s 4y ago
  the Musk Twitter nonsense is very current I don't understand how people don't get this? It's like saying "Trump's bad, but what about Thomas Jefferson and slavery!" It just leaves people scratching their heads.
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
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  - vgt 4y ago
    https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-starts-banning-critical-journalists-from-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512004/elon-musk-start... https://time.com/6229960/twitter-bans-accounts-elon-musk-impersonators/ https://time.com/6229960/twitter-bans-accounts-elon-musk-imp...

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toomuchtodo 4y ago

We’re a 3 Tesla household. I have no regrets. Telsa is made up of tens of thousands of workers. Elon is one person. The org will outlive him. If I made my purchasing decisions according to the personal failings of the corporate executive teams of all of consumer and durable goods, I might as well live in a tent in the woods. Used Tesla pricing going down is great, makes EV mobility affordable for the less well off. If you associate with someone who judges you for your vehicle purchase, find better people!

sassyonsunday 4y ago
> If I made my purchasing decisions according to the personal failings of the corporate executive teams of all of consumer and durable goods, I might as well live in a tent in the woods. Elon Musk's involvement with the companies he is associated with is not the usual involvement that an executive team would have. His personal brand is intermingled with the products he sells and cars are a way of signaling social status whether we like it or not. There are certainly people for whom buying a new Tesla would decrease their social capital which could have negative impacts in other areas of their life (relevant to HN, social capital converts to actual capital in many cases by opening up business opportunities). We're in a grace period right now when it comes to driving a Tesla, where people who already owned one can't really be blamed for supporting Musk, but the day has already arrived when buying a new one will signal poor taste and lack of social acumen to much of the white collar class. Vulgarity is relative so if your crowd isn't this crowd, fine. But you can't blame people for wanting to avoid putting stigma on themselves when there are other EVs on the market nearly as good as Teslas which don't have the same toxicity.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  Oh no, signaling poor taste. The travesty. Let others live their life according to the whims of “the white collar class.” I’m going to enjoy what I enjoy, and I’d like to associate with like minded folks.
  - sassyonsunday 4y ago

TheHypnotist 4y ago

The amount of stories about the shit construction was enough for me to back off. No thanks.

bilbo0s 4y ago
This is their real problem long term. Elon is a loud mouthed idiot, but the world is full of loud mouthed idiots. What's lasting, however, is that reputation for making poorly built vehicles. Even today, people would rather buy Japanese, Korean, or German than to buy, say, a buick. All because the reputation for making poorly built vehicles was never shaken by some American auto makers. I think Tesla will suffer the same fate, because to date, they haven't even conceded that they may have an issue.
ffssffss 4y ago
The styling looks really dated now too. Look at a Tesla next to one of the new Mercedes or BMW EV models. It's not good.
- VirusNewbie 4y ago
  I think the S still looks amazing. True about all the other models (including the one I own….)

tmn 4y ago

Why would you do something that embarrasses you? You're obviously well enough off if you were planning on having two Tesla vehicles. Get rid of your Tesla and bring your self in congruence with your virtues.

everdrive 4y ago

I believe the best answer here is a well-needed step back from CEO worship. Musk didn't build these cars, and yes, the CEO has an impact on things, but probably not as much as some people think. An interesting counterpoint to Musk's latest shenanigans: perhaps his companies were successful despite him?

AYBABTME 4y ago
Hero vs. vilain real life storytelling is something we see too much of, and I'm always amazed that otherwise smart people partake in this without seeming to realize. Is it just me or hasn't everyone been taught that idolization (and it's reverse) is generally not good?
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  Musk played into the hero narrative for years, endeavoring to make people believe he was the literal savior of humanity. He's spent years encouraging people to have extreme characterizations of him. Neither a great hero nor a great villain is a nuanced character, and therefore one can easily become another when the context changes.
  - AYBABTME 4y ago
    He may or may not have done this, the responsibility to fall for hero worship still lies with yourself.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      He certainly did it, every time he said that SpaceX's purpose was literally, not figuratively, to save humanity. He was positioning himself and Tesla in the same sort of way; 'buy my EV to save the planet.' In any case, I have no hero worship to apologize for. Not with regard to Musk anyway.
  - everdrive 4y ago
    Blame is often less useful than people think. Is it the audience's fault for falling for it? Or is it Musk's fault for encouraging it? I'm not sure that it really matters. The lesson should be clear, though. CEOs can't save the world, and people who have been successful previously may still be foolish in the future.

dibt 4y ago

This seems so odd to me. A CEO's politics never factor into deciding to purchase a product. Would you tolerate a poor product experience if you agreed with the CEO's politics?

travisporter 4y ago
Rational or not, it is a phenomenon. https://hbr.org/2016/06/is-it-safe-for-ceos-to-voice-strong-political-opinions https://hbr.org/2016/06/is-it-safe-for-ceos-to-voice-strong-.... I think Musk being so outspoken only amplifies it one way or another.

elif 4y ago

I also planned to go from a leaf+tesla household to a double-tesla household, but likewise recently had a change of heart. However, for me it's because I've been blown away with the versatility and dependability of the model Y so I see no reason to get a new car for the next decade.