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A Nobel Peace Prize winner? The man who promised to close down Guantanamo Bay and has still yet to manage to do so? Whose election campaign promised "Change" ye

A Nobel Peace Prize winner? The man who promised to close down Guantanamo Bay and has still yet to manage to do so? Whose election campaign promised "Change" yet whose only significant move in that way so far, in office for 3 years, is the repeal of DADT? The man who I (along with so many liberals) want desperately to believe in, but who just makes it too hard for us? Yes, that man.

clebio 15y ago
Interesting take. I read the parent comment to mean, 'note who signed the OSnews article', which is Thom Holwerda, whose name I'm sorry to admit I'm unfamiliar with.
paulhauggis 15y ago
This is exactly who I mean. People seem to have short memories. "A Nobel Peace Prize winner?" For doing what exactly? This actually makes me question the entire Nobel Peace Prize program.
- eCa 15y ago
  It will probably be a while until they give it to a president of a nation in war again.
- jonhendry 15y ago
  It was questionable when Henry Kissinger won it.
  - dpkendal 15y ago
    "Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer#Departure_from_the_music_scene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer#Departure_from_the_m...
  - bluekeybox 15y ago
    Also when when Havel didn't.
muhfuhkuh 15y ago
The guy who also oversaw an economy that returned 401Ks to at least sane levels from -40% in 2007-8; the guy who actually said and then did get bin Laden; the guy who pushed for and signed a law that is as close to healthcare reform as anyone has gotten since Medicare was enacted almost 50 years ago; the guy who pulled us out of Iraq when the Republican candidate in 2008 said we should be there for 100 more years; the guy who has kept or compromised on over 200 campaign and administration promises? You can talk of "change" like it's some concrete label you can bend to whatever cares you want, but remember you voted for a President, not a King.
- spot 15y ago
  "pulled us out of iraq"? sorry but you are just making shit up.
- sigzero 15y ago
  I am so glad that we voted for a President because now we can vote his ass out.
  - muhfuhkuh 15y ago
    And, vote in what exactly? Another person who'll usher in 2007-8 Economics Redux? Another war drum beater, this time in Iran and N. Korea? Another tax-breaking, deficit-piling theocratic nincompoop? Or maybe Ron Paul? Just remember, just a couple months ago, the only viable alternative to run against Obama was a Pizza guy who continuously ran infidelity trains on whatever thing slunk in wearing a skirt. You think "pizza pizza" was going to make everything all better?
    - Andrew_Quentin 15y ago
      Maybe Ron Paul. Why not. He is the best candidate out there. Better than Obama.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  > we should be there for 100 more years You make several good points, but I'd like to remind you that pulling out of Iraq now is very risky. If Iraq becomes a theocracy (either through a civil war or - gasp - free elections), the US will probably be compelled to invade it again. By now, it seems that the cycle of invasion-rebuild-pullout is more profitable to the political-military-industrial complex than a single continuous invasion. It's a war that should never have been started. Saddam Hussein was not a complete idiot and I am quite sure a negotiated transition over, say, 20 years, to a democratic society would have been possible.
rbanffy 15y ago
If you see a better option, please, let us know about it. We all need hope of a better future.
brown9-2 15y ago
People that claim to be disillusioned with Obama don't seem to really grasp that this type of "change" is impossible to manufacture when Congress actively opposes you. The President is just one branch of the federal government; the voters don't elect a dictator for four years. If you want these type of changes, you need to vote for the people that represent it in each election - presidential, midterms, local elections, all of them. You can't give up on the entire idea because the first guy you get really excited about and who actually wins fails to implement all of it in the first three years.

clebio 15y ago

Interesting take. I read the parent comment to mean, 'note who signed the OSnews article', which is Thom Holwerda, whose name I'm sorry to admit I'm unfamiliar with.

paulhauggis 15y ago

This is exactly who I mean. People seem to have short memories. "A Nobel Peace Prize winner?" For doing what exactly? This actually makes me question the entire Nobel Peace Prize program.

eCa 15y ago
It will probably be a while until they give it to a president of a nation in war again.
jonhendry 15y ago
It was questionable when Henry Kissinger won it.
- dpkendal 15y ago
  "Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer#Departure_from_the_music_scene http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer#Departure_from_the_m...
- bluekeybox 15y ago
  Also when when Havel didn't.

muhfuhkuh 15y ago

The guy who also oversaw an economy that returned 401Ks to at least sane levels from -40% in 2007-8; the guy who actually said and then did get bin Laden; the guy who pushed for and signed a law that is as close to healthcare reform as anyone has gotten since Medicare was enacted almost 50 years ago; the guy who pulled us out of Iraq when the Republican candidate in 2008 said we should be there for 100 more years; the guy who has kept or compromised on over 200 campaign and administration promises? You can talk of "change" like it's some concrete label you can bend to whatever cares you want, but remember you voted for a President, not a King.

spot 15y ago
"pulled us out of iraq"? sorry but you are just making shit up.
sigzero 15y ago
I am so glad that we voted for a President because now we can vote his ass out.
- muhfuhkuh 15y ago
  And, vote in what exactly? Another person who'll usher in 2007-8 Economics Redux? Another war drum beater, this time in Iran and N. Korea? Another tax-breaking, deficit-piling theocratic nincompoop? Or maybe Ron Paul? Just remember, just a couple months ago, the only viable alternative to run against Obama was a Pizza guy who continuously ran infidelity trains on whatever thing slunk in wearing a skirt. You think "pizza pizza" was going to make everything all better?
  - Andrew_Quentin 15y ago
    Maybe Ron Paul. Why not. He is the best candidate out there. Better than Obama.
rbanffy 15y ago
> we should be there for 100 more years You make several good points, but I'd like to remind you that pulling out of Iraq now is very risky. If Iraq becomes a theocracy (either through a civil war or - gasp - free elections), the US will probably be compelled to invade it again. By now, it seems that the cycle of invasion-rebuild-pullout is more profitable to the political-military-industrial complex than a single continuous invasion. It's a war that should never have been started. Saddam Hussein was not a complete idiot and I am quite sure a negotiated transition over, say, 20 years, to a democratic society would have been possible.

rbanffy 15y ago

If you see a better option, please, let us know about it. We all need hope of a better future.

brown9-2 15y ago

People that claim to be disillusioned with Obama don't seem to really grasp that this type of "change" is impossible to manufacture when Congress actively opposes you. The President is just one branch of the federal government; the voters don't elect a dictator for four years. If you want these type of changes, you need to vote for the people that represent it in each election - presidential, midterms, local elections, all of them. You can't give up on the entire idea because the first guy you get really excited about and who actually wins fails to implement all of it in the first three years.