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If you and your spouse are of healthy weight and the mother breastfeeds all night and the bed is stripped of heavy bedding and pillows this is unlikely. I wish

If you and your spouse are of healthy weight and the mother breastfeeds all night and the bed is stripped of heavy bedding and pillows this is unlikely. I wish doctors would give parents this advice because what happens now is that many American parents will cosleep without admitting it and don't know what to do when they engage in it. In many traditional cultures, the baby is breastfed all night and the bed is stripped and beds are on the floor. If you do these , sids risk is greatly diminished. Some of the cosleep studies on sids are flawed. They conflate taking a baby onto a couch to sleep with an exhausted mother the same as a breastfeeding mother falling asleep with her child on a flat surface. But Americans are obsessed with cribs so doctors don't give any advice and conflate two unlike things. https://cosleeping.nd.edu/safe-co-sleeping-guidelines/ https://cosleeping.nd.edu/safe-co-sleeping-guidelines/ https://news.nd.edu/news/infant-co-sleeping-expert-sheds-light-on-controversial-practice/ https://news.nd.edu/news/infant-co-sleeping-expert-sheds-lig...

lazide 4y ago
Considering nearly zero Americans are of healthy weight right now (obesity rate over 42%), even if you don’t consider stress eating that often happens with a new baby - just limiting by healthy weight or not is going to bias any results towards a pretty small group of people.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Considering nearly zero Americans are of healthy weight right now (obesity rate over 42%) Apparently, “nearly zero” are mathematically literate, too.
  - lazide 4y ago
    Obesity is 'you're going to die an early death because you're overweight'. It is the polar opposite of a healthy weight, but there is a lot of red in the gap. You might not be aware of that? It's one of those uncomfortable truths no one likes talking about. Even Dr's won't usually mention it to patients. 73.6% of American Adults over 20 years old are overweight. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obesity-adult.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obe... 26.4% of the American population is not overweight. I didn't correlate to eating disorders resulting in people being under weight - I've seen a decent amount of that too. Probably 5 to maybe even 10%. I'm struggling to see how that isn't a pretty select cohort that is a healthy weight, no? Anecdotally, most Americans consider me lean and athletic - I'm a good 20 lbs overweight by reasonable historic standards, but not obese. The overton window has shifted a lot, but our bodies and what is healthy for us are no different.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > Obesity is 'you're going to die an early death because you're overweight'. No, its not. Even morbidly obese doesn’t mean that, though it statistically correlates with a greater reduction in expected lifespan. > 73.6% of American Adults over 20 years old are overweight. [...] I didn't correlate to eating disorders resulting in people being under weight - I've seen a decent amount of that too. Probably 5 to maybe even 10%. 1.6% of adults over 20, actually, using 2018 numbers. [0] At any rate, even if it was your 5-10%, not enough to make the “at a healthy weight” number close to 0 (even if underweight was relevant in context of being more likely to suffocate an infant, which I would hazard a guess it is not.) [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/underweight-adult-17-18/underweight-adult.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/underweight-adult-17-18...
      - lazide 4y ago
        Ok? Apologies for overstating. It does definitely impact mortality, with overweight meaning approximately 5 years earlier death, and obesity approx. 10. That is a significant percentage of life expectancy. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.20023 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.20023 Though I wasn’t claiming its relevance, rather replying to the prior posters apparent assertion that their suggested course of action was widely applicable (when they said it was for folks of healthy weight). Which if it requires a healthy weight, definitely means it’s not widely applicable right now.
        gsinclair 4y ago
        Well, not applicable to wide people, anyway. I’ll see myself out…
voisin 4y ago
In British Columbia, Canada, new mothers are given material that talks about how to co-sleep in a safe manner, just as you say. Ensuring the mother has not had alcohol or drugs, covers and pillows are kept away and that the mother isn’t falling asleep exhausted (easier said than done, but going to bed early and not being up all night are key). Source: new baby last month.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
  We are in BC but it was still treated poorly: kinda not talked about, poorly represented on news (kid died because family was Co-sleeping!), in the hospital they strictly avoided it. We were lucky with a great prenatal course though. Made a huge difference, since our baby didn't sleep for more than 1 hour without a human body until she was age 2. Now if she's tired, she naturally fall asleep.
- anon291 4y ago
  That's great! We need that here in the US

lazide 4y ago

Considering nearly zero Americans are of healthy weight right now (obesity rate over 42%), even if you don’t consider stress eating that often happens with a new baby - just limiting by healthy weight or not is going to bias any results towards a pretty small group of people.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Considering nearly zero Americans are of healthy weight right now (obesity rate over 42%) Apparently, “nearly zero” are mathematically literate, too.
- lazide 4y ago
  Obesity is 'you're going to die an early death because you're overweight'. It is the polar opposite of a healthy weight, but there is a lot of red in the gap. You might not be aware of that? It's one of those uncomfortable truths no one likes talking about. Even Dr's won't usually mention it to patients. 73.6% of American Adults over 20 years old are overweight. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obesity-adult.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity-adult-17-18/obe... 26.4% of the American population is not overweight. I didn't correlate to eating disorders resulting in people being under weight - I've seen a decent amount of that too. Probably 5 to maybe even 10%. I'm struggling to see how that isn't a pretty select cohort that is a healthy weight, no? Anecdotally, most Americans consider me lean and athletic - I'm a good 20 lbs overweight by reasonable historic standards, but not obese. The overton window has shifted a lot, but our bodies and what is healthy for us are no different.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Obesity is 'you're going to die an early death because you're overweight'. No, its not. Even morbidly obese doesn’t mean that, though it statistically correlates with a greater reduction in expected lifespan. > 73.6% of American Adults over 20 years old are overweight. [...] I didn't correlate to eating disorders resulting in people being under weight - I've seen a decent amount of that too. Probably 5 to maybe even 10%. 1.6% of adults over 20, actually, using 2018 numbers. [0] At any rate, even if it was your 5-10%, not enough to make the “at a healthy weight” number close to 0 (even if underweight was relevant in context of being more likely to suffocate an infant, which I would hazard a guess it is not.) [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/underweight-adult-17-18/underweight-adult.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/underweight-adult-17-18...
    - lazide 4y ago
      Ok? Apologies for overstating. It does definitely impact mortality, with overweight meaning approximately 5 years earlier death, and obesity approx. 10. That is a significant percentage of life expectancy. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.20023 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/oby.20023 Though I wasn’t claiming its relevance, rather replying to the prior posters apparent assertion that their suggested course of action was widely applicable (when they said it was for folks of healthy weight). Which if it requires a healthy weight, definitely means it’s not widely applicable right now.
      - gsinclair 4y ago
        Well, not applicable to wide people, anyway. I’ll see myself out…

voisin 4y ago

In British Columbia, Canada, new mothers are given material that talks about how to co-sleep in a safe manner, just as you say. Ensuring the mother has not had alcohol or drugs, covers and pillows are kept away and that the mother isn’t falling asleep exhausted (easier said than done, but going to bed early and not being up all night are key). Source: new baby last month.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
We are in BC but it was still treated poorly: kinda not talked about, poorly represented on news (kid died because family was Co-sleeping!), in the hospital they strictly avoided it. We were lucky with a great prenatal course though. Made a huge difference, since our baby didn't sleep for more than 1 hour without a human body until she was age 2. Now if she's tired, she naturally fall asleep.
anon291 4y ago
That's great! We need that here in the US