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Another pattern I hear people use to justify their laziness is "Why should I hide every detail of my life from Google when the government already knows everythi

Another pattern I hear people use to justify their laziness is "Why should I hide every detail of my life from Google when the government already knows everything? They must also make money, right? so that they can continue to provide their services for free." I don't mind if someone wants to give up their privacy; what I find ridiculous is people arguing for others to do the same.

jacquesm 4y ago
And worse still: giving up the privacy of other people. Every time some idiot family member uploads a bunch of photos and tags them they're doing just that.
- cronix 4y ago
  Sure, you can have access to my phone's contact list with all of my friends and family members numbers and names, some with addresses and birthdays, etc., to check if they are also on the service I just signed up for! How convenient!
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    And to spam them if they're not.
eternityforest 4y ago
If someone does something themselves and believe it benefits them, they often want to share that benefit with others. My time and safety are more valuable to me than my privacy, and I think everyone should consider their priorities. If you want to use Tor and degoogle, I have no problem with that, I'm glad someone is studying that stuff in case it ever becomes truly necessary for people. But not every person can join every protest. In terms of good done for the world compared to inconvenience to myself, I'm not convinced staying private is the most effective thing.
- feanaro 4y ago
  It's very clear to some of us this stuff is already truly necessary, and the trajectory of how the situation is evolving is not looking very nice at all. So enjoy the locally optimal time and safety you're able to get out of it, but please consider the global downsides of pushing the public perception in the wrong direction. Come to think, the situation is rather similar to enjoying the conveniences of modern, energetically wasteful life without considering the climate problems this will cause for future you or future generations.
  - eternityforest 4y ago
    Only specific aspects of modern life are energetically wasteful, depending on what era you compare to. Many modern conveniences reduce resources use, because they replace real things with ones and zeros, and for better or worse many industries are getting forgotten. I'm still hopeful the future will be a place where privacy is readily available but not strictly needed, but I can see why people would think otherwise.
    - feanaro 4y ago
      > Only specific aspects of modern life are energetically wasteful, depending on what era you compare to. > Many modern conveniences reduce resources use, because they replace real things with ones and zeros, and for better or worse many industries are getting forgotten. I agree, I didn't mean to relate it to all aspects of modern life, just the energetically wasteful ones.
      - eternityforest 4y ago
        There definitely are energetically wasteful ones. Although aside from the baseline things like refrigeration and plumbing, a lot of them aren't real conveniences, they're just traditions that evolved as displays of wealth. I wouldn't call nonnative lawns or large houses(Aside from maybe people with kids) or not being able to repeat an outfit within the same week or two convenient. Some of them might be hedonistic in some way, but a lot of things that make pollution are pretty high effort.
rubyfan 4y ago
It’s really impossible to allow surveillance capitalism for only some to knowingly opt in. The way Google, Facebook and others are built to vacuum up everything they can get puts those of us who care about our privacy in a losing situation. For example when your therapist emails you from their Gmail account to set appointments, now Google knows you see a therapist. I never signed up to give that information to Google. Pay your bill your credit card, now Mastercard knows you see a therapist. There needs to be some reasonable expectation of privacy written into law and a reasonable limit to how data can be captured and used.
brookst 4y ago
Do you think it is possible that people have different priorities and beliefs than you do? Or does everyone share your priorities and beliefs, but those of us who act differently are just lazy, and so we construct justifications to defend our different actions?

jacquesm 4y ago

And worse still: giving up the privacy of other people. Every time some idiot family member uploads a bunch of photos and tags them they're doing just that.

cronix 4y ago
Sure, you can have access to my phone's contact list with all of my friends and family members numbers and names, some with addresses and birthdays, etc., to check if they are also on the service I just signed up for! How convenient!
- jacquesm 4y ago
  And to spam them if they're not.

eternityforest 4y ago

If someone does something themselves and believe it benefits them, they often want to share that benefit with others. My time and safety are more valuable to me than my privacy, and I think everyone should consider their priorities. If you want to use Tor and degoogle, I have no problem with that, I'm glad someone is studying that stuff in case it ever becomes truly necessary for people. But not every person can join every protest. In terms of good done for the world compared to inconvenience to myself, I'm not convinced staying private is the most effective thing.

feanaro 4y ago
It's very clear to some of us this stuff is already truly necessary, and the trajectory of how the situation is evolving is not looking very nice at all. So enjoy the locally optimal time and safety you're able to get out of it, but please consider the global downsides of pushing the public perception in the wrong direction. Come to think, the situation is rather similar to enjoying the conveniences of modern, energetically wasteful life without considering the climate problems this will cause for future you or future generations.
- eternityforest 4y ago
  Only specific aspects of modern life are energetically wasteful, depending on what era you compare to. Many modern conveniences reduce resources use, because they replace real things with ones and zeros, and for better or worse many industries are getting forgotten. I'm still hopeful the future will be a place where privacy is readily available but not strictly needed, but I can see why people would think otherwise.
  - feanaro 4y ago
    > Only specific aspects of modern life are energetically wasteful, depending on what era you compare to. > Many modern conveniences reduce resources use, because they replace real things with ones and zeros, and for better or worse many industries are getting forgotten. I agree, I didn't mean to relate it to all aspects of modern life, just the energetically wasteful ones.
    - eternityforest 4y ago
      There definitely are energetically wasteful ones. Although aside from the baseline things like refrigeration and plumbing, a lot of them aren't real conveniences, they're just traditions that evolved as displays of wealth. I wouldn't call nonnative lawns or large houses(Aside from maybe people with kids) or not being able to repeat an outfit within the same week or two convenient. Some of them might be hedonistic in some way, but a lot of things that make pollution are pretty high effort.

rubyfan 4y ago

It’s really impossible to allow surveillance capitalism for only some to knowingly opt in. The way Google, Facebook and others are built to vacuum up everything they can get puts those of us who care about our privacy in a losing situation. For example when your therapist emails you from their Gmail account to set appointments, now Google knows you see a therapist. I never signed up to give that information to Google. Pay your bill your credit card, now Mastercard knows you see a therapist. There needs to be some reasonable expectation of privacy written into law and a reasonable limit to how data can be captured and used.

brookst 4y ago

Do you think it is possible that people have different priorities and beliefs than you do? Or does everyone share your priorities and beliefs, but those of us who act differently are just lazy, and so we construct justifications to defend our different actions?