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A statement like this needs a trustworthy reference.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
No it doesn't, just because you find something hard to believe doesn't mean you can't check on it yourself. This isn't a journal peer review and citations are not required. I don't even think this is what they were talking about but there are over one million prisoners in the US and prisoners can be forced to work without pay. The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can.
- batch12 4y ago
  > The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. It does actually. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
  - msluyter 4y ago
    Indeed. Thirteenth amendment, section 1.
  - fit2rule 4y ago
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- shanebellone 4y ago
  I wasn't referring to prison labor although that is a valid discussion too. It's ironic that the "land of the free" only leads in incarcerated citizens, obesity, and diabetes per capita. I also don't have a reference on hand. I listened to an NPR radio segment that blew my mind. There's a bunch of information from reputable sources but finding a specific number can be tricky. First of all, it's estimated because it's obviously unknown. Also, defining the "bounds" of slavery inherently changes the count. There is a fairly recent citation that states there are 400,000 enslaved people in the United States on any given day. https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_Unite... https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slav...
- gabereiser 4y ago
  Most places skirt that by paying the inmates for the work. However, the pay determined was decided in 1896 at 27p/day. That's 27 cents. A day. It might have changed over the years but that's what it was in Virginia when my step-father was a judge. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/
- quickthrowman 4y ago
  > The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. Section 1 of the 13th Amendment explicitly refers to this as slavery: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_...
  - fit2rule 4y ago
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treeman79 4y ago
Southern border is completely open. Trafficking is the norm. Had a group try and grab my young adult daughter and pull her into a van. These are real issues that many Americans completely ignore.
iso1631 4y ago
https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/united-states/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-stu... "The Global Slavery Index 2018 estimates that on any given day in 2016 there were 403,000 people living in conditions of modern slavery in the United States, a prevalence of 1.3 victims of modern slavery for every thousand in the country." I'm not entirely sure how they got to that number though. It's also important to remember that slavery is explicitly allowed in the US constitution, and there are certainly valid interpretations of modern slavery that would count significant numbers of those currently incarcerated as being victims of modern slavery - for example https://harvardpolitics.com/involuntary-servitude-how-prison-labor-is-modern-day-slavery/ https://harvardpolitics.com/involuntary-servitude-how-prison...
- jki275 4y ago
  Slavery is not allowed in the US Constitution. The 13th Amendment specifically abolishes it. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment
  - hjanssen 4y ago
    With a specific exception: "(...) except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". So it does still exist - but America only considers criminals for it. From what I've gathered, though, that is still a lot of people.
  - iso1631 4y ago
    Your link specifically allows it
- iamthirsty 4y ago
  So there are 403,000 living in the conditions of slaver, with a ratio of 1.3 per 1,000. That is not > 1m as previously stated.
  - shanebellone 4y ago

No it doesn't, just because you find something hard to believe doesn't mean you can't check on it yourself. This isn't a journal peer review and citations are not required. I don't even think this is what they were talking about but there are over one million prisoners in the US and prisoners can be forced to work without pay. The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can.

batch12 4y ago
> The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. It does actually. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
- msluyter 4y ago
  Indeed. Thirteenth amendment, section 1.
- fit2rule 4y ago
  [dead]
shanebellone 4y ago
I wasn't referring to prison labor although that is a valid discussion too. It's ironic that the "land of the free" only leads in incarcerated citizens, obesity, and diabetes per capita. I also don't have a reference on hand. I listened to an NPR radio segment that blew my mind. There's a bunch of information from reputable sources but finding a specific number can be tricky. First of all, it's estimated because it's obviously unknown. Also, defining the "bounds" of slavery inherently changes the count. There is a fairly recent citation that states there are 400,000 enslaved people in the United States on any given day. https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_Unite... https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slav...
gabereiser 4y ago
Most places skirt that by paying the inmates for the work. However, the pay determined was decided in 1896 at 27p/day. That's 27 cents. A day. It might have changed over the years but that's what it was in Virginia when my step-father was a judge. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/
quickthrowman 4y ago
> The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. Section 1 of the 13th Amendment explicitly refers to this as slavery: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_...
- fit2rule 4y ago
  [dead]

treeman79 4y ago

Southern border is completely open. Trafficking is the norm. Had a group try and grab my young adult daughter and pull her into a van. These are real issues that many Americans completely ignore.

iso1631 4y ago

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-studies/united-states/ https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2018/findings/country-stu... "The Global Slavery Index 2018 estimates that on any given day in 2016 there were 403,000 people living in conditions of modern slavery in the United States, a prevalence of 1.3 victims of modern slavery for every thousand in the country." I'm not entirely sure how they got to that number though. It's also important to remember that slavery is explicitly allowed in the US constitution, and there are certainly valid interpretations of modern slavery that would count significant numbers of those currently incarcerated as being victims of modern slavery - for example https://harvardpolitics.com/involuntary-servitude-how-prison-labor-is-modern-day-slavery/ https://harvardpolitics.com/involuntary-servitude-how-prison...

jki275 4y ago
Slavery is not allowed in the US Constitution. The 13th Amendment specifically abolishes it. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/13th-amendment
- hjanssen 4y ago
  With a specific exception: "(...) except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". So it does still exist - but America only considers criminals for it. From what I've gathered, though, that is still a lot of people.
- iso1631 4y ago
  Your link specifically allows it
iamthirsty 4y ago
So there are 403,000 living in the conditions of slaver, with a ratio of 1.3 per 1,000. That is not > 1m as previously stated.
- shanebellone 4y ago