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So, people start signing their AI-generated messages. What have we gained?

NoGravitas 4y ago
Indeed. SPF and DKIM were supposed to reduce spam by ensuring that every sender was verified. Now, we have more spam than ever, and all the senders are verified (on short-lived garbage domains that are not yet on blocklists). The only DKIM failures I ever see are on legitimate mail from badly set-up lists.
- kolinko 4y ago
  DKIM and SPF are more important for phishing than for spam. Without them, it’s very easy to spoof senders.
treis 4y ago
You can ban them and they'll stay banned. Today they'll come back or switch to one of the other dozen accounts they post crap on. The counter argument to that is that places like Facebook are mostly not pseudonymous and a lot of crap is posted there.
- djmips 4y ago
  And when you get banned because someone stole your key - that's going to be awesome.
  - anselm 4y ago
    There are going to be a few cases where keys are lost or stolen. It may be possible to build multi-sig wallets that allow for you to migrate an identity to a new key. What we're looking for is some kind of statistical means of trying to reduce bad actors. Even if there was no recourse for you and you were totally screwed I'm not sure it totally invalidates the concept of having a key or a mechanism for trying to remove bad actors from social discourse. You could trip and die because you wore shoes. You could get locked out of your house... bad stuff does happen - it doesn't mean we shouldn't wear shoes or have keys.
- awestroke 4y ago
  Ban them on what grounds?
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  AI generated content will likely be higher quality than what we have today. AI accounts will spend time building reputation with superior content and then burn some on an ad or spam campaign, but they’ll still have a better reputation than most people.
anselm 4y ago
It is gonna happen for sure. People will leverage powerful tools and claim it is their own voice. Me shrugs. I more want to at least have that individual emitter be accountable for what they post; to establish continuity. I want to know that that emitter is say 3 hops from me, and is trusted by 12 friends in between, and has a general trust score of say 7/10 overall as an overall rating by my extended trust graph. It is less that I want people to say good things, or be truthful or whatnot - I just want to know that they are real, that there is a human behind it, that that human has an opinion of some kind. The thing is that there are a ton of sock puppets that are not real - it's more about reducing the noise / spam rather than a perfect solution.

Indeed. SPF and DKIM were supposed to reduce spam by ensuring that every sender was verified. Now, we have more spam than ever, and all the senders are verified (on short-lived garbage domains that are not yet on blocklists). The only DKIM failures I ever see are on legitimate mail from badly set-up lists.

kolinko 4y ago
DKIM and SPF are more important for phishing than for spam. Without them, it’s very easy to spoof senders.

treis 4y ago

You can ban them and they'll stay banned. Today they'll come back or switch to one of the other dozen accounts they post crap on. The counter argument to that is that places like Facebook are mostly not pseudonymous and a lot of crap is posted there.

djmips 4y ago
And when you get banned because someone stole your key - that's going to be awesome.
- anselm 4y ago
  There are going to be a few cases where keys are lost or stolen. It may be possible to build multi-sig wallets that allow for you to migrate an identity to a new key. What we're looking for is some kind of statistical means of trying to reduce bad actors. Even if there was no recourse for you and you were totally screwed I'm not sure it totally invalidates the concept of having a key or a mechanism for trying to remove bad actors from social discourse. You could trip and die because you wore shoes. You could get locked out of your house... bad stuff does happen - it doesn't mean we shouldn't wear shoes or have keys.
awestroke 4y ago
Ban them on what grounds?
HDThoreaun 4y ago
AI generated content will likely be higher quality than what we have today. AI accounts will spend time building reputation with superior content and then burn some on an ad or spam campaign, but they’ll still have a better reputation than most people.

anselm 4y ago

It is gonna happen for sure. People will leverage powerful tools and claim it is their own voice. Me shrugs. I more want to at least have that individual emitter be accountable for what they post; to establish continuity. I want to know that that emitter is say 3 hops from me, and is trusted by 12 friends in between, and has a general trust score of say 7/10 overall as an overall rating by my extended trust graph. It is less that I want people to say good things, or be truthful or whatnot - I just want to know that they are real, that there is a human behind it, that that human has an opinion of some kind. The thing is that there are a ton of sock puppets that are not real - it's more about reducing the noise / spam rather than a perfect solution.