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I don't think this should be the focus. Slavery is abolished in the west and currently existing slavery should be a primary focus-- whether it's a western comp

I don't think this should be the focus. Slavery is abolished in the west and currently existing slavery should be a primary focus-- whether it's a western company participating in a possible slave market, or Saudi participating in it-- such entities and individuals must obviously be destroyed, and immediately. How we deal with morality and history is a separate question and of less interest.

willmacdonald 4y ago
Slavery is definitely not abolished in the West. It is rife in the UK and Europe.
- impossiblefork 4y ago
  It is certainly abolished. There are of course Roma beggar-gangs who have travelled to Sweden and who practise some kind of forced labour system on their members, but this is not something officially permitted and to the degree that this is a phenomenon it is only possible because of the foreignness of these gangs the the difficulty of Swedish policemen to genuinely understand what is going on. When we have access to experts we try to break these things up and to prosecute. Furthermore, we are not in any way reliant on these groups, since they are, as I have mentioned, beggar-gangs. They do not offer any service, but beg for money outside supermarkets and on trains.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Slavery is abolished on paper, but there are more than enough well-known instances where we still have slavery or slavery-like conditions... Italy is estimated to have 50k people in agriculture, mostly in tomato picking, and a further 95k in prostitution and domestic labor [1] as a result of a lot of undocumented immigrants being exploited, Spain's agriculture modern slavery is smaller but still existent [2] and known for at least a decade [3], even Germany has massive issues [4] with estimates going up to 167k people [5]. We may not have overt slavery any more in the Western world, but covert slavery and human trafficking? Absolutely. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/tomatoes-italy-mafia-migrant-labour-modern-slavery https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/tomatoes-italy... [2] https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/26136/strawberry-pickers-plight-exposes-modern-slavery-in-spain https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/26136/strawberry-picker... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/feb/07/spain-salad-growers-slaves-charities https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/feb/07/spain-salad... [4] https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/moderne-lohnsklaven-in-deutschland-ackern-im-akkord-100.html https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/moderne-lohnsklaven-in-... [5] https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/schneller-schlau/moderne-sklaverei-und-menschenhandel-menschen-fuer-10-dollar-kaufen-17901010.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/schneller-schlau/mode...
- ttyprintk 4y ago
  For the purposes of discussions like this, abolish should be defined as: to repeal the statutes creating the institution of slavery. It is a stepping stone toward greater legal rights, and not an all-or-nothing goal.
SyzygistSix 4y ago
Slavery is most certainly present in the West. The US penal system uses slavery.
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- jollofricepeas 4y ago
  Here’s a source with more information about the US penal system using slavery. - https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-million-people-in-the-u-s https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-mil... Additionally, it’s also estimated that the US has at least a half million people in domestic servitude as stated in the article. This does not include sex trafficking which is a separate issue.

willmacdonald 4y ago

Slavery is definitely not abolished in the West. It is rife in the UK and Europe.

impossiblefork 4y ago
It is certainly abolished. There are of course Roma beggar-gangs who have travelled to Sweden and who practise some kind of forced labour system on their members, but this is not something officially permitted and to the degree that this is a phenomenon it is only possible because of the foreignness of these gangs the the difficulty of Swedish policemen to genuinely understand what is going on. When we have access to experts we try to break these things up and to prosecute. Furthermore, we are not in any way reliant on these groups, since they are, as I have mentioned, beggar-gangs. They do not offer any service, but beg for money outside supermarkets and on trains.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Slavery is abolished on paper, but there are more than enough well-known instances where we still have slavery or slavery-like conditions... Italy is estimated to have 50k people in agriculture, mostly in tomato picking, and a further 95k in prostitution and domestic labor [1] as a result of a lot of undocumented immigrants being exploited, Spain's agriculture modern slavery is smaller but still existent [2] and known for at least a decade [3], even Germany has massive issues [4] with estimates going up to 167k people [5]. We may not have overt slavery any more in the Western world, but covert slavery and human trafficking? Absolutely. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/tomatoes-italy-mafia-migrant-labour-modern-slavery https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/tomatoes-italy... [2] https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/26136/strawberry-pickers-plight-exposes-modern-slavery-in-spain https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/26136/strawberry-picker... [3] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/feb/07/spain-salad-growers-slaves-charities https://www.theguardian.com/business/2011/feb/07/spain-salad... [4] https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/moderne-lohnsklaven-in-deutschland-ackern-im-akkord-100.html https://www.deutschlandfunkkultur.de/moderne-lohnsklaven-in-... [5] https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/schneller-schlau/moderne-sklaverei-und-menschenhandel-menschen-fuer-10-dollar-kaufen-17901010.html https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/schneller-schlau/mode...
ttyprintk 4y ago
For the purposes of discussions like this, abolish should be defined as: to repeal the statutes creating the institution of slavery. It is a stepping stone toward greater legal rights, and not an all-or-nothing goal.

SyzygistSix 4y ago

Slavery is most certainly present in the West. The US penal system uses slavery.

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jollofricepeas 4y ago
Here’s a source with more information about the US penal system using slavery. - https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-million-people-in-the-u-s https://www.vera.org/news/slavery-is-still-legal-for-two-mil... Additionally, it’s also estimated that the US has at least a half million people in domestic servitude as stated in the article. This does not include sex trafficking which is a separate issue.