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There has also been slavery going on in the U.S. Here's a story about a NY couple who was convicted in 2008 of keeping two maids as slaves: https://www.cnn.com/

There has also been slavery going on in the U.S. Here's a story about a NY couple who was convicted in 2008 of keeping two maids as slaves: https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ [Edit: Fixed broken URL.]

astura 4y ago
Gives me a 404.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nyregion/23slave.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nyregion/23slave.html “Muttontown slave trial” will bring up lots of search results. https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nye/pr/2008/2008jun26.html https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nye/pr/2008/2008jun26.h... https://sherloc.unodc.org/cld/case-law-doc/traffickingpersonscrimetype/usa/2010/united_states_v._mahender_murlidhar_sabhnani_and_varsha_mahender_sabhnani_.html?tmpl=old https://sherloc.unodc.org/cld/case-law-doc/traffickingperson...
- nkurz 4y ago
  Surprisingly, the link requires a final '/'. Usually this is optional, but not this time: https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/
  - rubyfan 4y ago
    That’s because it’s an index.html file https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/index.html
    - nkurz 4y ago
      Yes. I say surprising, because traditionally web servers redirect from the bare name of a directory to the equivalent with a slash at the end. This then either redirects to the index.html or just serves it directly. In Apache, these are both handled by mod_dir: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_dir.html https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_dir.html. They are using Varnish in front of the web server, and I don't know if they want this behavior or not.
- BuildTheRobots 4y ago
  archive.org only seems to have indexed it for one month in 2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20080712034359/http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ https://web.archive.org/web/20080712034359/http://www.cnn.co... edit: nevermind, original link needed a trailing slash
- greenyoda 4y ago
  Sorry, fixed. (URL needed the '/' at the end.)
shanebellone 4y ago
There are ~1m slaves in the United States.
- svorakang 4y ago
  A statement like this needs a trustworthy reference.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    No it doesn't, just because you find something hard to believe doesn't mean you can't check on it yourself. This isn't a journal peer review and citations are not required. I don't even think this is what they were talking about but there are over one million prisoners in the US and prisoners can be forced to work without pay. The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can.
    - batch12 4y ago
      > The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. It does actually. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
      - msluyter 4y ago
        Indeed. Thirteenth amendment, section 1.
      - fit2rule 4y ago
        [dead]
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      I wasn't referring to prison labor although that is a valid discussion too. It's ironic that the "land of the free" only leads in incarcerated citizens, obesity, and diabetes per capita. I also don't have a reference on hand. I listened to an NPR radio segment that blew my mind. There's a bunch of information from reputable sources but finding a specific number can be tricky. First of all, it's estimated because it's obviously unknown. Also, defining the "bounds" of slavery inherently changes the count. There is a fairly recent citation that states there are 400,000 enslaved people in the United States on any given day. https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_Unite... https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slav...
leereeves 4y ago
Of course making something illegal doesn't mean it will never happen again, and slavery and human trafficking still happen all over the world. Nonetheless, there's naturally more outrage about places (like Saudi Arabia and Qatar) where it's still quasi-legal.
notadev 4y ago
I know a lot of people, especially Americans, just can’t help but take a crap on America every chance they get, but we’re talking about a 15 year old crime, for which the perpetrators were held accountable versus an active slave trade in Saudi Arabia. Human trafficking in all forms is abhorrent but these are not the same IMHO.
- jacquesm 4y ago
  You may want to read this: https://theexodusroad.com/does-slavery-exist-in-america-today/ https://theexodusroad.com/does-slavery-exist-in-america-toda... I explicitly note that in my own country (NL) there are also many such cases, especially in the exploitation of women for the sex trade which is particularly lively here and a reason why plenty of women from Eastern countries are trafficked here, as well as the agricultural sector where people are grossly taken advantage of to labor under very bad circumstances often having to rent their bed for roughly what they make during a day of work. It's despicable.
  - wsc981 4y ago
    If you read the X-Dossiers (statements from victims and such in Dutroux case) you’ll find a lot of shocking things involving highly ranked people from Belgium, The Netherlands, etc... https://ia801803.us.archive.org/14/items/dutroux-x-dossiers-accused-overview-isgp-2007/dutroux-x-dossiers-accused-overview-isgp-2007.pdf https://ia801803.us.archive.org/14/items/dutroux-x-dossiers-... Dutch speaking people can also watch this documentary regarding the X-Dossiers: https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/de-x-dossiers-deel-i https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/de-x-dossiers-deel-i
  - dihydro 4y ago
    I'm glad that you brought up agricultural indentured servitude. I live in the midwest US, and I feel that the migrant workers that we hear so many bad things about are just picking the individually optimal outcome, and if we wanted to see fundamental change we need to punish the companies that exploit these workers for rock bottom wages.

astura 4y ago

Gives me a 404.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nyregion/23slave.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/nyregion/23slave.html “Muttontown slave trial” will bring up lots of search results. https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nye/pr/2008/2008jun26.html https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/nye/pr/2008/2008jun26.h... https://sherloc.unodc.org/cld/case-law-doc/traffickingpersonscrimetype/usa/2010/united_states_v._mahender_murlidhar_sabhnani_and_varsha_mahender_sabhnani_.html?tmpl=old https://sherloc.unodc.org/cld/case-law-doc/traffickingperson...
nkurz 4y ago
Surprisingly, the link requires a final '/'. Usually this is optional, but not this time: https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/
- rubyfan 4y ago
  That’s because it’s an index.html file https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/index.html
  - nkurz 4y ago
    Yes. I say surprising, because traditionally web servers redirect from the bare name of a directory to the equivalent with a slash at the end. This then either redirects to the index.html or just serves it directly. In Apache, these are both handled by mod_dir: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_dir.html https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_dir.html. They are using Varnish in front of the web server, and I don't know if they want this behavior or not.
BuildTheRobots 4y ago
archive.org only seems to have indexed it for one month in 2008: https://web.archive.org/web/20080712034359/http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/27/slave.labor/ https://web.archive.org/web/20080712034359/http://www.cnn.co... edit: nevermind, original link needed a trailing slash
greenyoda 4y ago
Sorry, fixed. (URL needed the '/' at the end.)

shanebellone 4y ago

There are ~1m slaves in the United States.

svorakang 4y ago
A statement like this needs a trustworthy reference.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  No it doesn't, just because you find something hard to believe doesn't mean you can't check on it yourself. This isn't a journal peer review and citations are not required. I don't even think this is what they were talking about but there are over one million prisoners in the US and prisoners can be forced to work without pay. The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can.
  - batch12 4y ago
    > The constitution doesn't consider that slavery but the rest of the world certainly can. It does actually. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
    - msluyter 4y ago
      Indeed. Thirteenth amendment, section 1.
    - fit2rule 4y ago
      [dead]
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    I wasn't referring to prison labor although that is a valid discussion too. It's ironic that the "land of the free" only leads in incarcerated citizens, obesity, and diabetes per capita. I also don't have a reference on hand. I listened to an NPR radio segment that blew my mind. There's a bunch of information from reputable sources but finding a specific number can be tricky. First of all, it's estimated because it's obviously unknown. Also, defining the "bounds" of slavery inherently changes the count. There is a fairly recent citation that states there are 400,000 enslaved people in the United States on any given day. https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_the_Unite... https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.cbp.gov/border-security/human-trafficking https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slavery-report-global-slavery-index https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/us-modern-slav...

leereeves 4y ago

Of course making something illegal doesn't mean it will never happen again, and slavery and human trafficking still happen all over the world. Nonetheless, there's naturally more outrage about places (like Saudi Arabia and Qatar) where it's still quasi-legal.

notadev 4y ago

I know a lot of people, especially Americans, just can’t help but take a crap on America every chance they get, but we’re talking about a 15 year old crime, for which the perpetrators were held accountable versus an active slave trade in Saudi Arabia. Human trafficking in all forms is abhorrent but these are not the same IMHO.

jacquesm 4y ago
You may want to read this: https://theexodusroad.com/does-slavery-exist-in-america-today/ https://theexodusroad.com/does-slavery-exist-in-america-toda... I explicitly note that in my own country (NL) there are also many such cases, especially in the exploitation of women for the sex trade which is particularly lively here and a reason why plenty of women from Eastern countries are trafficked here, as well as the agricultural sector where people are grossly taken advantage of to labor under very bad circumstances often having to rent their bed for roughly what they make during a day of work. It's despicable.
- wsc981 4y ago
  If you read the X-Dossiers (statements from victims and such in Dutroux case) you’ll find a lot of shocking things involving highly ranked people from Belgium, The Netherlands, etc... https://ia801803.us.archive.org/14/items/dutroux-x-dossiers-accused-overview-isgp-2007/dutroux-x-dossiers-accused-overview-isgp-2007.pdf https://ia801803.us.archive.org/14/items/dutroux-x-dossiers-... Dutch speaking people can also watch this documentary regarding the X-Dossiers: https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/de-x-dossiers-deel-i https://www.bnnvara.nl/zembla/artikelen/de-x-dossiers-deel-i
- dihydro 4y ago
  I'm glad that you brought up agricultural indentured servitude. I live in the midwest US, and I feel that the migrant workers that we hear so many bad things about are just picking the individually optimal outcome, and if we wanted to see fundamental change we need to punish the companies that exploit these workers for rock bottom wages.