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> no maid, I refuse it I've always been against hiring people to do my chores, but eventually I can only defend this from the perspective that doing my own cho

by sshine 4y ago

> no maid, I refuse it I've always been against hiring people to do my chores, but eventually I can only defend this from the perspective that doing my own chores makes me a better person. (Instinctively I don't want to do it, but morally I cannot justify not doing it now.) I don't believe that hiring servants is bad. Ultimately, it creates an opportunity for them as well. If you have a maid and pay them well, give them better than average working conditions, and don't punish them when you have emotional problems, you give them an opportunity to grow an alternate career on the side. If you "refuse to participate", that does not fundamentally create more equality in itself.

cyberlurker 4y ago
Right, you could hire a maid and give them double the salary and normal working hours and now everyone wins. And if they move on to a better career, great, the system worked.
- monsieurbanana 4y ago
  As long as the money does go to the maid, which is far from being certain. Even in a country as strict as Singapore, some are hostages rather than free workers. I'm sure it's much worse in others. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/some-bosses-holding-on-to-maids-passports-illegally-0 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/some-bosses-holding-o...
  - sshine 4y ago
    If you're the employer, you get to be a part of the system that ensures this.
hgsgm 4y ago
1) Almost no one ever pays them well 2) You should pay them to do something for the world, not yourself.
usrusr 4y ago
The next step is wondering if you trust yourself staying true to those intentions. I think it's safe to assume that most people who are bad examples never intended to and still believe they are the good guys. We are amazing at deluding ourselves.
zeristor 4y ago
Average working conditions might be a very low bar in the first place.
- sshine 4y ago
  That’s why I suggested better than average.

by sshine 4y ago

cyberlurker 4y ago

Right, you could hire a maid and give them double the salary and normal working hours and now everyone wins. And if they move on to a better career, great, the system worked.

monsieurbanana 4y ago
As long as the money does go to the maid, which is far from being certain. Even in a country as strict as Singapore, some are hostages rather than free workers. I'm sure it's much worse in others. https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/some-bosses-holding-on-to-maids-passports-illegally-0 https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/some-bosses-holding-o...
- sshine 4y ago
  If you're the employer, you get to be a part of the system that ensures this.

hgsgm 4y ago

1) Almost no one ever pays them well 2) You should pay them to do something for the world, not yourself.

usrusr 4y ago

The next step is wondering if you trust yourself staying true to those intentions. I think it's safe to assume that most people who are bad examples never intended to and still believe they are the good guys. We are amazing at deluding ourselves.

zeristor 4y ago

Average working conditions might be a very low bar in the first place.

sshine 4y ago
That’s why I suggested better than average.