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They hang people for dealing drugs. Does not fit the much more humane narrative

ejb999 4y ago
on the other hand, the USA has close to 100K drug overdose deaths per year and singapore has close to none - not sure we are being very humane in the USA by allowing so many people to die from a preventable causes - maybe singapore is harsh in their methods, but maybe we should learn something.
- newaccount74 4y ago
  The US has tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades, and it hasn't really fixed a thing. Maybe they should just stop prescribing opioids, for a start.
  - Xylakant 4y ago
    It’s not even the prescription opioids alone - germany has a similar prescription rate for opioids as the US (or at least had for a very long time), and we still don’t see the same effect. The way these treatments are administered and checked upon matters, too as well as the underlying social dynamics.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    How has 'the US tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades'? In San Francisco the Honduran drug dealers gather around luxury SUVs for catered meal breaks before resuming their murderous work. We are currently wildly out of control. Enough Fentanyl was seized in California in 2022 to kill everyone in the USA twice. God only knows how much more got through and into people's bodies.
    - mcphage 4y ago
      > How has 'the US tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades'? We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, for starters.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      Check the amount of alcohol present on the shelves of US stores. There's enough to kill the roughly half-the-population who consume several times over. The point is not to compare alcohol & fentanyl, but to note that "enough X to kill Y" is a really bad way to think about quantities of drugs.
      - olivermarks 4y ago
        Tell that to Newsom https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/12/23/california-seized-enough-fentanyl-to-potentially-kill-the-entire-population-of-north-america-twice/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/12/23/california-seized-enough-f...
- Xylakant 4y ago
  It’s not like there isn’t some kind of middle ground - germany has about 1000 drug overdoses per year and we managed to get there without hanging people. Portugal, a country that has decriminalized drug consumption in 2001 has even better numbers, much lower than most other European countries. https://www.statista.com/statistics/911927/drug-overdose-deaths-in-portugal/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/911927/drug-overdose-dea... Tackling drug overdoses by hanging dealers doesn’t even try to address the underlying issues that cause drug usage and overdoses.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  That's a very strange and myopic view, only taking two countries and comparing 1 statistic and 1 element of drug enforcement. There's a huge list of cultural, demographic, political, sociological and historical factors to take into account here.
- dave_sullivan 4y ago
  If heroin was legal and pure, there would be far fewer fentanyl overdose deaths. The number of deaths from not-fentanyl is low so calling it "drug overdose deaths" instead of "fentanyl overdose deaths" is disingenuous. We shouldn't learn anything from fascist Singapore.
- Hnrobert42 4y ago
  Doesn’t SG tightly control their press? So how do we know how many overdose deaths they have? Also, they have a population of about 6M, including expats, compared to 300M in the US.
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on the other hand, the USA has close to 100K drug overdose deaths per year and singapore has close to none - not sure we are being very humane in the USA by allowing so many people to die from a preventable causes - maybe singapore is harsh in their methods, but maybe we should learn something.

newaccount74 4y ago
The US has tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades, and it hasn't really fixed a thing. Maybe they should just stop prescribing opioids, for a start.
- Xylakant 4y ago
  It’s not even the prescription opioids alone - germany has a similar prescription rate for opioids as the US (or at least had for a very long time), and we still don’t see the same effect. The way these treatments are administered and checked upon matters, too as well as the underlying social dynamics.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  How has 'the US tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades'? In San Francisco the Honduran drug dealers gather around luxury SUVs for catered meal breaks before resuming their murderous work. We are currently wildly out of control. Enough Fentanyl was seized in California in 2022 to kill everyone in the USA twice. God only knows how much more got through and into people's bodies.
  - mcphage 4y ago
    > How has 'the US tried to be "harsh" on drug dealers for decades'? We have the highest incarceration rate in the world, for starters.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    Check the amount of alcohol present on the shelves of US stores. There's enough to kill the roughly half-the-population who consume several times over. The point is not to compare alcohol & fentanyl, but to note that "enough X to kill Y" is a really bad way to think about quantities of drugs.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      Tell that to Newsom https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/12/23/california-seized-enough-fentanyl-to-potentially-kill-the-entire-population-of-north-america-twice/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/12/23/california-seized-enough-f...
Xylakant 4y ago
It’s not like there isn’t some kind of middle ground - germany has about 1000 drug overdoses per year and we managed to get there without hanging people. Portugal, a country that has decriminalized drug consumption in 2001 has even better numbers, much lower than most other European countries. https://www.statista.com/statistics/911927/drug-overdose-deaths-in-portugal/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/911927/drug-overdose-dea... Tackling drug overdoses by hanging dealers doesn’t even try to address the underlying issues that cause drug usage and overdoses.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
That's a very strange and myopic view, only taking two countries and comparing 1 statistic and 1 element of drug enforcement. There's a huge list of cultural, demographic, political, sociological and historical factors to take into account here.
dave_sullivan 4y ago
If heroin was legal and pure, there would be far fewer fentanyl overdose deaths. The number of deaths from not-fentanyl is low so calling it "drug overdose deaths" instead of "fentanyl overdose deaths" is disingenuous. We shouldn't learn anything from fascist Singapore.
Hnrobert42 4y ago
Doesn’t SG tightly control their press? So how do we know how many overdose deaths they have? Also, they have a population of about 6M, including expats, compared to 300M in the US.
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