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Veganism is an extreme and therefore it tends to attract people who are seeking extremes. This brings a rather negative image because there's always a part of i

Veganism is an extreme and therefore it tends to attract people who are seeking extremes. This brings a rather negative image because there's always a part of intolerance and/or unreasonableness in extremes. I think most people will think that, for instance, not eating honey or eggs is too extreme.

colechristensen 4y ago
Most people, when made aware of how almost all of the eggs they consume are produced, would be a little uncomfortable at least. Mind you I still eat plenty of eggs, but I entirely grok a person not wanting to consume the output of industrial egg production. I try to buy eggs with adjectives added to the label about how nice they are to their hens knowing full well that these are of limited benefit. Honey, on the other hand, I don't understand a moral objection to, but also who cares if somebody doesn't want to eat honey?
- FeistySkink 4y ago
  A bit more info about bees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYgDssQUtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYgDssQUtA
sheusndudn 4y ago
Honey and eggs are not comparable. Maybe honey is extreme, but watch a youtube video of them shredding male live chicks that won't lay eggs so aren't useful is the closest thing to hell i've ever seen.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  There is a difference between being against cruelty against animals and not eating any eggs. Hens will lay eggs. That's what they do naturally and if those eggs are not fertilised they will rot and decay. In veganism you cannot eat those eggs no matter how pampered the hens are. That's obviously a personal decision, which I respect, but it should also be understandable that many people find this extreme (and not eating honey even more extreme).
- layer8 4y ago
  You now can buy eggs from producers that don’t do that (at least in Europe).
uxcolumbo 4y ago
Veganism = reduce animal suffering as much as possible. Why do you think it's extreme not wanting to cause animal death and suffering? On the other hand you could also argue that veganism attracts people who want to move away from the extremes of the animal and dairy industry, which contributes massively to our carbon footprint and biosphere destruction on top of causing unnecessary animal suffering.
- layer8 4y ago
  I guess it gets perceived as extreme-ish when it becomes an ideology constantly imposed in a combative fashion onto others.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    Agree - the holier than thou attitude can be off putting.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago
  > Why do you think it's extreme not wanting to cause animal death and suffering? That's a (lazy) strawman [edit: because it that has nothing to do with what I wrote and unfortunately also seems to be a common Pavlovian response to any criticism]. If you want to make a constructive reply I will gladly engage with it.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    It was a genuine question. If you look up the actual definition of veganism - it's all about not wanting to cause unnecessary suffering and destruction [0] We live in a time where we don't need meat anymore to survive. Yes there are still regions of humans who need to hunt and farm animals as it's their only means of survival. But I'm talking about us living in the western world who rely mostly on factory animal farms to provide meat and dairy. There are numerous studies that clearly show feeding the world with animal meat is not sustainable [1] So what is extreme about not wanting to cause animal suffering and not wanting to support a food system that contributes heavily to biosphere destruction? Where is the (lazy) strawman? Again - genuine question. [0] https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." [1] Just one of those studies: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environmental-cost-food https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environme... Many more from the UN and other universities.

colechristensen 4y ago

Most people, when made aware of how almost all of the eggs they consume are produced, would be a little uncomfortable at least. Mind you I still eat plenty of eggs, but I entirely grok a person not wanting to consume the output of industrial egg production. I try to buy eggs with adjectives added to the label about how nice they are to their hens knowing full well that these are of limited benefit. Honey, on the other hand, I don't understand a moral objection to, but also who cares if somebody doesn't want to eat honey?

FeistySkink 4y ago
A bit more info about bees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYgDssQUtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSYgDssQUtA

sheusndudn 4y ago

Honey and eggs are not comparable. Maybe honey is extreme, but watch a youtube video of them shredding male live chicks that won't lay eggs so aren't useful is the closest thing to hell i've ever seen.

mytailorisrich 4y ago
There is a difference between being against cruelty against animals and not eating any eggs. Hens will lay eggs. That's what they do naturally and if those eggs are not fertilised they will rot and decay. In veganism you cannot eat those eggs no matter how pampered the hens are. That's obviously a personal decision, which I respect, but it should also be understandable that many people find this extreme (and not eating honey even more extreme).
layer8 4y ago
You now can buy eggs from producers that don’t do that (at least in Europe).

uxcolumbo 4y ago

Veganism = reduce animal suffering as much as possible. Why do you think it's extreme not wanting to cause animal death and suffering? On the other hand you could also argue that veganism attracts people who want to move away from the extremes of the animal and dairy industry, which contributes massively to our carbon footprint and biosphere destruction on top of causing unnecessary animal suffering.

layer8 4y ago
I guess it gets perceived as extreme-ish when it becomes an ideology constantly imposed in a combative fashion onto others.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Agree - the holier than thou attitude can be off putting.
mytailorisrich 4y ago
> Why do you think it's extreme not wanting to cause animal death and suffering? That's a (lazy) strawman [edit: because it that has nothing to do with what I wrote and unfortunately also seems to be a common Pavlovian response to any criticism]. If you want to make a constructive reply I will gladly engage with it.
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  It was a genuine question. If you look up the actual definition of veganism - it's all about not wanting to cause unnecessary suffering and destruction [0] We live in a time where we don't need meat anymore to survive. Yes there are still regions of humans who need to hunt and farm animals as it's their only means of survival. But I'm talking about us living in the western world who rely mostly on factory animal farms to provide meat and dairy. There are numerous studies that clearly show feeding the world with animal meat is not sustainable [1] So what is extreme about not wanting to cause animal suffering and not wanting to support a food system that contributes heavily to biosphere destruction? Where is the (lazy) strawman? Again - genuine question. [0] https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals." [1] Just one of those studies: https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environmental-cost-food https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2018-06-01-new-estimates-environme... Many more from the UN and other universities.