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> But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Let's go back to your original statement, shall we: "Why do meat eaters disguise things a

> But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Let's go back to your original statement, shall we: "Why do meat eaters disguise things as burgers, sausages, and nuggets?" No part of that statement ever said anything about buffalos. And wings don't disguise themselves as wings. Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. > The term "vegetarian pork" may be vague an unappealing to you - but sales figures show it is pretty attractive to lots of people. Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables.

ben_w 4y ago
> Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. > Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables. OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? Because I'm fairly sure the meat shapes that get replicated — bacon rashers, sausages, burgers, fillets, deli slices — even where they had a specific original cause like "stuff meat into intestine", stuck around because they're convenient. The meat that still looks like the original animal (whole roast chicken, whole leg of lamb, stuffed pig head), I've not seen replicated. Well, not since the "everything is a cake" meme, at least.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. And your point is? > OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner".
  - ben_w 4y ago
    > And your point is? That "meaty" names are just as much nonsense regardless of whether or not meat is still involved. Just remembered an even more extreme example, albeit one that may only exist in the UK: christmas sweet pastry called "mince pie" filled with "mincemeat" which is often entirely vegetarian because it's an extremely archaic use of "meat" in the sense of "food". > That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner". QED: the name and shape (in this case, both being penile) are not really that connected to the mental model the consumer has of what they're consuming.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      To quote myself: "Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables."
      - ben_w 4y ago
        I know you said that. I'm saying you're wrong, because it's vegetables being "disguised" as generic shapes that don't look anything like natural meat. The historical association you have between shape and substance is as irrelevant as the connection between hamburgers-the-food and the city named after the castle belonging to Hamma.

ben_w 4y ago

> Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. > Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables. OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? Because I'm fairly sure the meat shapes that get replicated — bacon rashers, sausages, burgers, fillets, deli slices — even where they had a specific original cause like "stuff meat into intestine", stuck around because they're convenient. The meat that still looks like the original animal (whole roast chicken, whole leg of lamb, stuffed pig head), I've not seen replicated. Well, not since the "everything is a cake" meme, at least.

dmitriid 4y ago
> Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. And your point is? > OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner".
- ben_w 4y ago
  > And your point is? That "meaty" names are just as much nonsense regardless of whether or not meat is still involved. Just remembered an even more extreme example, albeit one that may only exist in the UK: christmas sweet pastry called "mince pie" filled with "mincemeat" which is often entirely vegetarian because it's an extremely archaic use of "meat" in the sense of "food". > That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner". QED: the name and shape (in this case, both being penile) are not really that connected to the mental model the consumer has of what they're consuming.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    To quote myself: "Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables."
    - ben_w 4y ago
      I know you said that. I'm saying you're wrong, because it's vegetables being "disguised" as generic shapes that don't look anything like natural meat. The historical association you have between shape and substance is as irrelevant as the connection between hamburgers-the-food and the city named after the castle belonging to Hamma.