15 ms·

What part of the mighty buffalo is the wing? As to why vegans do it - hotdog buns are really well designed for holding a tube of protein.

by edent 4y ago

OJFord 4y ago
The suggestion was for 'cauliflower' (or whatever) to replace 'vegan buffalo', no change to 'wing'. I might buy 'halloumi and apple sausages', just like I might 'pork and apple'. I wouldn't buy 'vegetarian pork and apple sausages', even though it describes the former (and could be the same) - it's vague and unappealing.
- edent 4y ago
  But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Just like a Breaded Drumstick was unlikely to have been used by Ringo Starr. People understand the colloquial terms for foods. The term "vegetarian pork" may be vague an unappealing to you - but sales figures show it is pretty attractive to lots of people. And, to a veggie like me, it gives some indication of the flavour profile, which I personally find useful.
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    > But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Let's go back to your original statement, shall we: "Why do meat eaters disguise things as burgers, sausages, and nuggets?" No part of that statement ever said anything about buffalos. And wings don't disguise themselves as wings. Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. > The term "vegetarian pork" may be vague an unappealing to you - but sales figures show it is pretty attractive to lots of people. Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables.
    - ben_w 4y ago
      > Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. > Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables. OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? Because I'm fairly sure the meat shapes that get replicated — bacon rashers, sausages, burgers, fillets, deli slices — even where they had a specific original cause like "stuff meat into intestine", stuck around because they're convenient. The meat that still looks like the original animal (whole roast chicken, whole leg of lamb, stuffed pig head), I've not seen replicated. Well, not since the "everything is a cake" meme, at least.
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        > Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. And your point is? > OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner".
        ben_w 4y ago
        > And your point is? That "meaty" names are just as much nonsense regardless of whether or not meat is still involved. Just remembered an even more extreme example, albeit one that may only exist in the UK: christmas sweet pastry called "mince pie" filled with "mincemeat" which is often entirely vegetarian because it's an extremely archaic use of "meat" in the sense of "food". > That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner". QED: the name and shape (in this case, both being penile) are not really that connected to the mental model the consumer has of what they're consuming.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        To quote myself: "Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables."
  - OJFord 4y ago
    Honestly, I don't know what 'buffalo wings' are, I'm only aware of the phrase from American film. To use 'chicken drumsticks' then, yes obviously no drumstick, but certainly chicken, as though a drumstick made of chicken instead of wood. A 'vegetarian drumstick' only tells me it's not made of chicken, and that it's edible, non-wood, I suppose. 'Vegetarian chicken drumstick' is a contradiction. An equivalent to 'chicken drumstick' would be 'jackfruit drumstick', or whatever it actually is.
    - stcroixx 4y ago
      Buffalo wings are a particular way to prepare chicken wings that originated at a bar in Buffalo, NY.
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
stcroixx 4y ago
They are named for the city they originated in, not what they contain.
jfoutz 4y ago
This one is funny, the history doesn't really matter, but might as well throw it out there. Buffalo wings are named after the city Buffalo in New York State. It's that spicy buttery style of baked on sauce that got popular and spread around. You could obviously bread and bake the sauce onto anything, I like it on potatoes. It's a funny modifier, because it's sort of the sauce, it's sort of the preparation, like you might say cajun style, but the phrase only seems to be used around wings. Buffalo cauliflower makes sense to me, but I internalized the word differently.

What part of the mighty buffalo is the wing? As to why vegans do it - hotdog buns are really well designed for holding a tube of protein.

by edent 4y ago

What part of the mighty buffalo is the wing? As to why vegans do it - hotdog buns are really well designed for holding a tube of protein.

OJFord 4y ago

The suggestion was for 'cauliflower' (or whatever) to replace 'vegan buffalo', no change to 'wing'. I might buy 'halloumi and apple sausages', just like I might 'pork and apple'. I wouldn't buy 'vegetarian pork and apple sausages', even though it describes the former (and could be the same) - it's vague and unappealing.

edent 4y ago
But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Just like a Breaded Drumstick was unlikely to have been used by Ringo Starr. People understand the colloquial terms for foods. The term "vegetarian pork" may be vague an unappealing to you - but sales figures show it is pretty attractive to lots of people. And, to a veggie like me, it gives some indication of the flavour profile, which I personally find useful.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > But you accept that Buffalo Wings contain no actual buffalo, right? Let's go back to your original statement, shall we: "Why do meat eaters disguise things as burgers, sausages, and nuggets?" No part of that statement ever said anything about buffalos. And wings don't disguise themselves as wings. Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. > The term "vegetarian pork" may be vague an unappealing to you - but sales figures show it is pretty attractive to lots of people. Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    > Also, Buffalo Wings have nothing to do with buffalos, and everything to do with Buffalo, New York. Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. > Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables. OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? Because I'm fairly sure the meat shapes that get replicated — bacon rashers, sausages, burgers, fillets, deli slices — even where they had a specific original cause like "stuff meat into intestine", stuck around because they're convenient. The meat that still looks like the original animal (whole roast chicken, whole leg of lamb, stuffed pig head), I've not seen replicated. Well, not since the "everything is a cake" meme, at least.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      > Yes, and hamburgers have nothing to do with ham, they're named after the city of Hamburg. Frankfurters also not made of Franks. And your point is? > OTOH, what exactly do people think they're eating when they have wieners? That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner".
      - ben_w 4y ago
        > And your point is? That "meaty" names are just as much nonsense regardless of whether or not meat is still involved. Just remembered an even more extreme example, albeit one that may only exist in the UK: christmas sweet pastry called "mince pie" filled with "mincemeat" which is often entirely vegetarian because it's an extremely archaic use of "meat" in the sense of "food". > That they eat a sausage made of meat that is named "weiner". QED: the name and shape (in this case, both being penile) are not really that connected to the mental model the consumer has of what they're consuming.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        To quote myself: "Because it turns out people crave meat, and the market is happy to disguise vegeterian/vegan food as meat. Including trying to replicate both taste and texture. Funnily, meat is never (or very very very rarely) disguised as vegetables."
- OJFord 4y ago
  Honestly, I don't know what 'buffalo wings' are, I'm only aware of the phrase from American film. To use 'chicken drumsticks' then, yes obviously no drumstick, but certainly chicken, as though a drumstick made of chicken instead of wood. A 'vegetarian drumstick' only tells me it's not made of chicken, and that it's edible, non-wood, I suppose. 'Vegetarian chicken drumstick' is a contradiction. An equivalent to 'chicken drumstick' would be 'jackfruit drumstick', or whatever it actually is.
  - stcroixx 4y ago
    Buffalo wings are a particular way to prepare chicken wings that originated at a bar in Buffalo, NY.

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

stcroixx 4y ago

They are named for the city they originated in, not what they contain.

jfoutz 4y ago

This one is funny, the history doesn't really matter, but might as well throw it out there. Buffalo wings are named after the city Buffalo in New York State. It's that spicy buttery style of baked on sauce that got popular and spread around. You could obviously bread and bake the sauce onto anything, I like it on potatoes. It's a funny modifier, because it's sort of the sauce, it's sort of the preparation, like you might say cajun style, but the phrase only seems to be used around wings. Buffalo cauliflower makes sense to me, but I internalized the word differently.