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The article contains numerous inaccuracies. Statistics that Spain has a special problem of piracy are known to be fabricated by RIAA's cousin. BTW, the formed

by narag 15y ago

The article contains numerous inaccuracies. Statistics that Spain has a special problem of piracy are known to be fabricated by RIAA's cousin. BTW, the formed head of that organization is on trial for massive corruption. The complain is not about a judge closing a website. That was always possible. Instead the law allows an administrative comission to close a web without a judge approving it, thus the outrage. P2P as such, without profit, is simply legal. On the other hand, in Spain until today, an illegal "tax" (forbidden by EU Supreme Court recently) was applied to any hardware with the excuse that it can store protected works.

lemming 15y ago
Statistics that Spain has a special problem of piracy are known to be fabricated by RIAA's cousin. But are also supported by a 15 minute conversation with anyone who lives here - piracy is utterly rampant to a degree I've never seen anywhere else. I was shocked when I came here.
- narag 15y ago
  Oh, please, if you accept that stats are fabricated, how can you defend such an anecdotic "evidence"? That's been a lie that everybody has come to believe after mass media has been uncritically funneling SGAE's propaganda.
  - lemming 15y ago
    I didn't say I accept that the stats are fabricated - I don't know. I'm quite sure that the SGAE are totally corrupt, but equally I'm sure that piracy is rampant here to a degree I have never seen anywhere else (I've lived in Spain for 6 years BTW). My friends never buy any music and generally joke about how much they pirate. I know a lot of people from different walks of life and this is totally widespread in my experience. You can write it off as anecdotal if you like (or you could provide some stats to the contrary) but I'm sure it's true.
- ghostDancer 15y ago
  And the same organization that says that about piracy , the SGAE, has increased its income every year, and this last year the managers have been taken to jail because they stole a lot of money and instead of giving it to the authors they were supposed to help they put it in their own fake businesses.Piracy is no bigger than in any other part but in Spain the little brothers of RIAA and company have been lying a lot through all the media till the point that a lot of people even believe it.
eCa 15y ago
Do you have a source for the EU SC verdict that such a tax is illegal? The reason I'm asking is that Sweden has similar rules. (For instance, all external hard drives have a tax of ~$10, a DVD-RW $0.60 and DVD recorders with HD's larger than 250GB are $40.) This "private copying levy" is payed by manufacturers and importers but of course passed on to the buyers. The levy is in place "to compensate authors, performers and producers to some extent for the copying of copyright material for private use allowed under the law" [1]. [1] http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/activities-of-copyswede/the-private-copying-levy/ http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/activities-of-copyswede/t...
- narag 15y ago
  Do you have a source for the EU SC verdict that such a tax is illegal? The illegality was in the indiscriminate implementation. The sentence was issued a few months ago, sorry no link. The foundation is the same as you quote.

by narag 15y ago

lemming 15y ago

Statistics that Spain has a special problem of piracy are known to be fabricated by RIAA's cousin. But are also supported by a 15 minute conversation with anyone who lives here - piracy is utterly rampant to a degree I've never seen anywhere else. I was shocked when I came here.

narag 15y ago
Oh, please, if you accept that stats are fabricated, how can you defend such an anecdotic "evidence"? That's been a lie that everybody has come to believe after mass media has been uncritically funneling SGAE's propaganda.
- lemming 15y ago
  I didn't say I accept that the stats are fabricated - I don't know. I'm quite sure that the SGAE are totally corrupt, but equally I'm sure that piracy is rampant here to a degree I have never seen anywhere else (I've lived in Spain for 6 years BTW). My friends never buy any music and generally joke about how much they pirate. I know a lot of people from different walks of life and this is totally widespread in my experience. You can write it off as anecdotal if you like (or you could provide some stats to the contrary) but I'm sure it's true.
ghostDancer 15y ago
And the same organization that says that about piracy , the SGAE, has increased its income every year, and this last year the managers have been taken to jail because they stole a lot of money and instead of giving it to the authors they were supposed to help they put it in their own fake businesses.Piracy is no bigger than in any other part but in Spain the little brothers of RIAA and company have been lying a lot through all the media till the point that a lot of people even believe it.

eCa 15y ago

Do you have a source for the EU SC verdict that such a tax is illegal? The reason I'm asking is that Sweden has similar rules. (For instance, all external hard drives have a tax of ~$10, a DVD-RW $0.60 and DVD recorders with HD's larger than 250GB are $40.) This "private copying levy" is payed by manufacturers and importers but of course passed on to the buyers. The levy is in place "to compensate authors, performers and producers to some extent for the copying of copyright material for private use allowed under the law" [1]. [1] http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/activities-of-copyswede/the-private-copying-levy/ http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/activities-of-copyswede/t...

narag 15y ago
Do you have a source for the EU SC verdict that such a tax is illegal? The illegality was in the indiscriminate implementation. The sentence was issued a few months ago, sorry no link. The foundation is the same as you quote.