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exactly, and so far rust is being pushed by evangelists and pseudo-journalists rust wants to penetrate the industry by-proxy rather than with interesting tech/

exactly, and so far rust is being pushed by evangelists and pseudo-journalists rust wants to penetrate the industry by-proxy rather than with interesting tech/projects Mozilla gave up rewriting firefox in rust Embark gave up writing their new game engine in rust

unrealhoang 4y ago
Google put up 1.5M Rust LOC in Android runtime and seeing number of serious exploitations reduced, a single developer created a stable gpu kernel driver in only 3 months are definitely interesting results. Even in your example, firefox’s Rust code amount is catching up with C/C++. You just don’t see what you don’t wanna see.
- hulitu 4y ago
  The Android runtime does not really excel in performance.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Says whose numbers?
    - Kukumber 4y ago
      You question a claim about performance But you don't question a claim about the amount of LOC You chose what please you as truth, and what doesn't as troll?
      - unrealhoang 4y ago
        Because they've read the source about the amount of LOC? And it's easily verifiable just by a google search. I believe you have enough skill to do it, if you care. Whereas there's no result about Android runtime being slow, so GP comment is completely reasonable?
pjmlp 4y ago
Mozilla gave up on Firefox with lots of completly useless activities burning their bank accounts, Rust suffered by association. Here, Embark new game engine in Rust hasn't gone anywhere, https://medium.com/embarkstudios/embarks-creative-playground-call-for-early-players-2e1d56d21ede https://medium.com/embarkstudios/embarks-creative-playground... It even got a new release quite recently, "we here at Embark been using this for over a year in production now for our Creative Playground & custom Rust engine that uses Vulkan, and hope it can be of use for more developers as we continue to build it out." -- https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/zrskiq/rustgpu_v04_released_raytracing_maturity_upgrades/j14efe6/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/zrskiq/rustgpu_v04_re... Yes they are also using Unreal for other titles, plenty of studios have more than one engine.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  They talk about using Rust for over 5 years, and yet they delivered nothing, and switched to using Unreal for their commercial games and upcoming games (2 new titles already announced with Unreal) Lot of buzz for nothing, just like with Firefox Rust doesn't seem capable enough for that kind of projects Other comments mentions pieces of the Android Runtime being written in Rust, and that seems all Rust is able to provide, by-proxy uses Still waiting for something like Kubernetes for Rust to really push the industry forward, so far, no bueno
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    They haven't delivered nothing?!? https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-ecosystem https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-ecosystem Running containers on AWS? https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/12/aws-firecracker/ https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/12/aws-firecracker/ What have you delivered in your top XVYZ language?
    - Kukumber 4y ago
      That's not because your project is on github that you have delivered something, it's still at the WIP/experimental phase, and its been like that for years I don't have a top language, and to be honest i am a bit sad about the state of programming languages these days, it's all over the place and nobody seems to hate bloatware, so we get slow stuff that compiles slow all over the place And i don't believe in "one language to rule them all" moto https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-worked-with-vs-want-to-work-with-programming-scripting-and-markup-languages https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-worked-with-vs... Not a reference, but it gives an idea about the people interested in Rust, they are mostly the web people, which says a lot about the lack of dynamics > Running containers on AWS? 1 or 2 projects out of 1000s in a big company doesn't sound interesting

unrealhoang 4y ago

Google put up 1.5M Rust LOC in Android runtime and seeing number of serious exploitations reduced, a single developer created a stable gpu kernel driver in only 3 months are definitely interesting results. Even in your example, firefox’s Rust code amount is catching up with C/C++. You just don’t see what you don’t wanna see.

hulitu 4y ago
The Android runtime does not really excel in performance.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Says whose numbers?
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    You question a claim about performance But you don't question a claim about the amount of LOC You chose what please you as truth, and what doesn't as troll?
    - unrealhoang 4y ago
      Because they've read the source about the amount of LOC? And it's easily verifiable just by a google search. I believe you have enough skill to do it, if you care. Whereas there's no result about Android runtime being slow, so GP comment is completely reasonable?

pjmlp 4y ago

Mozilla gave up on Firefox with lots of completly useless activities burning their bank accounts, Rust suffered by association. Here, Embark new game engine in Rust hasn't gone anywhere, https://medium.com/embarkstudios/embarks-creative-playground-call-for-early-players-2e1d56d21ede https://medium.com/embarkstudios/embarks-creative-playground... It even got a new release quite recently, "we here at Embark been using this for over a year in production now for our Creative Playground & custom Rust engine that uses Vulkan, and hope it can be of use for more developers as we continue to build it out." -- https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/zrskiq/rustgpu_v04_released_raytracing_maturity_upgrades/j14efe6/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/zrskiq/rustgpu_v04_re... Yes they are also using Unreal for other titles, plenty of studios have more than one engine.

Kukumber 4y ago
They talk about using Rust for over 5 years, and yet they delivered nothing, and switched to using Unreal for their commercial games and upcoming games (2 new titles already announced with Unreal) Lot of buzz for nothing, just like with Firefox Rust doesn't seem capable enough for that kind of projects Other comments mentions pieces of the Android Runtime being written in Rust, and that seems all Rust is able to provide, by-proxy uses Still waiting for something like Kubernetes for Rust to really push the industry forward, so far, no bueno
- pjmlp 4y ago
  They haven't delivered nothing?!? https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-ecosystem https://github.com/EmbarkStudios/rust-ecosystem Running containers on AWS? https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/12/aws-firecracker/ https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/12/aws-firecracker/ What have you delivered in your top XVYZ language?
  - Kukumber 4y ago
    That's not because your project is on github that you have delivered something, it's still at the WIP/experimental phase, and its been like that for years I don't have a top language, and to be honest i am a bit sad about the state of programming languages these days, it's all over the place and nobody seems to hate bloatware, so we get slow stuff that compiles slow all over the place And i don't believe in "one language to rule them all" moto https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-worked-with-vs-want-to-work-with-programming-scripting-and-markup-languages https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-worked-with-vs... Not a reference, but it gives an idea about the people interested in Rust, they are mostly the web people, which says a lot about the lack of dynamics > Running containers on AWS? 1 or 2 projects out of 1000s in a big company doesn't sound interesting