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Why do I feel this is a setup?? Still...Alright, I'll be the first to bite.... You're talking emigration, not just 'nomading'--which is that grey area of havin

Why do I feel this is a setup?? Still...Alright, I'll be the first to bite.... You're talking emigration, not just 'nomading'--which is that grey area of having a tourist visa but working remotely, thus technically you're not working illegally within that country. Since most countries are very strict about emigration, yes even EU ones, your best bet is to go for that Italian citizenship which if gained will grant you EU citizenship, and thus the right to free movement of working in the EU. From that, you can leverage working elsewhere in the world. Fun fact: got a friend who has the same benefit as you--he got IT citizenship thanks to both his parents, now lives & works in Milano in cybersecurity. > felt like your US Passport was worthless Don't say that. Don't even joke about that. You must have no oversea-living experience: a US passport will never be worthless - It's priceless--it's the best insurance you'll ever own - no, that you have a Right to - when traveling & working overseas. It'll allow access to more countries than any other passport; it'll help more than hurt your chances for employment in many countries; it'll provide you diplomatic services that most other countries have never and will never provide their citizens; and when the worse happens, it'll allow the US embassy staff to get your ass out of a country (yes, brooking the local rules of law) before you get thrown into its prisons -- even if YOU are the one at fault. If the 'worser' happens, it could be a literal 'get out of jail Free card' for you, depending on the diplomatic relations between the US and that country.

082349872349872 4y ago
> allow access to more countries than any other passport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_Passport_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_Passport_Index differs: looks like an IT passport currently beats a US (albeit not significantly) for visa-free travel.
- greggarious 4y ago
  cuba might be an option but i've heard they don't have good internet
- weatherlite 4y ago
  Well the Netherlands really wants to attract Americans it seems to me https://expatlaw.nl/dutch-american-friendship-treaty https://expatlaw.nl/dutch-american-friendship-treaty. The treaty is one directional as far as I know (Dutch people who want to do the same in the U.S will find brutal requirements). So yes there is a lot of strength in having an American passport...
  - greggarious 4y ago
    When you can’t save up the 5K due to harassment from Nazis that treaty isn’t super useful
- tlb 4y ago
  That's an index of how many countries don't require a visa. But you might someday care much more about how hard your embassy will work to rescue you if you get kidnapped or falsely arrested in a less rule-of-law-oriented country. A US passport really comes in handy in an emergency.
  - greggarious 4y ago
    No, it doesn’t. It’s not helpful in an emergency stateside either, most of the people who’ve helped me since 2016 are European or Canadian
BigRedDog1669 4y ago
I think you overestimate the diplomatic services the US would provide if you weren't involved in a situation that was on the news.
- greggarious 4y ago
  they will give you a loan to pay back for the plane ticket home if you can get out. (and if you do something dumb like steal a poster in north korea, they'll negotiate for your body, but unless you fuck up in an extreme enough way to make the news, you will rot in a foreign prison because you are subject to their laws)
greggarious 4y ago
I said nothing about working. I will save up enough money to live for a while without working, and see if I make local contacts, get married. Also "emigration" could mean one of the options with an EU passport, not just hanging around coffeeshops doing non-income generating projects and hoping to meet a partner or paying for a student visa to study a country's native language, which is cheaper than you'd expect in many non EU countries. (Like a typical American, I only speak English, though I know enough German and Spanish to navigate public transit() >Don't say that. Don't even joke about that. You must have no oversea-living experience I've presented scientific research on three continents. > If the 'worser' happens, it could be a literal 'get out of jail Free card' for you, depending on the diplomatic relations between the US and that country. I know what the State Department is, Sean "vilerat" Smith is one of the folks who tried to recruit me into the Central Intelligence agency, and I had a "get out of jail free card" in grad school -- they told me as long as the FBI doesn't kick in my adviser's door, I can do whatever I want in the state of Indiana. (Except, apparently, drop out with a master's and work a job that pays a fair wage for my skills and abilities, but I learned a lot in Bloomington.) Maybe your friend in Milano and I can connect? I know a lot about cybersecurity, but since I was an altar server and raised Catholic, and thus do not believe in murder, I have issues in America. (The pope famously said you must go to confession if you volunteer to kill someone in Iraq, a war started when I was a minor, and I told many people in my hometown I will not work for an organization that builds robots to kill brown people at a dinner where they stood around joking that maybe Han's Reiser's wife deserved it -- which was dark as hell since they'd printed a placard for him but he obviously could not attend. Combine those views with the issues you have in Appalachia if you're an exCatholic Me-Too advocate, and you'll begin to understand why I am writing, in increasing detail, why I feel unwelcome in my country of birth.)
- 082349872349872 4y ago
  > Like a typical American, I only speak English, though I know enough German and Spanish to navigate public transit YMMV, but from my experience, I'd suggest budgeting ~2 years to get to reasonable fluency wherever you wind up going, and ~5 years to feel like you've got the hang of your adopted culture. (That's starting from scratch; these days with everything available from home on the internet you might be able to shorten it a bit?) In bocca al lupo!

082349872349872 4y ago

> allow access to more countries than any other passport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_Passport_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henley_Passport_Index differs: looks like an IT passport currently beats a US (albeit not significantly) for visa-free travel.

greggarious 4y ago
cuba might be an option but i've heard they don't have good internet
weatherlite 4y ago
Well the Netherlands really wants to attract Americans it seems to me https://expatlaw.nl/dutch-american-friendship-treaty https://expatlaw.nl/dutch-american-friendship-treaty. The treaty is one directional as far as I know (Dutch people who want to do the same in the U.S will find brutal requirements). So yes there is a lot of strength in having an American passport...
- greggarious 4y ago
  When you can’t save up the 5K due to harassment from Nazis that treaty isn’t super useful
tlb 4y ago
That's an index of how many countries don't require a visa. But you might someday care much more about how hard your embassy will work to rescue you if you get kidnapped or falsely arrested in a less rule-of-law-oriented country. A US passport really comes in handy in an emergency.
- greggarious 4y ago
  No, it doesn’t. It’s not helpful in an emergency stateside either, most of the people who’ve helped me since 2016 are European or Canadian

BigRedDog1669 4y ago

I think you overestimate the diplomatic services the US would provide if you weren't involved in a situation that was on the news.

greggarious 4y ago
they will give you a loan to pay back for the plane ticket home if you can get out. (and if you do something dumb like steal a poster in north korea, they'll negotiate for your body, but unless you fuck up in an extreme enough way to make the news, you will rot in a foreign prison because you are subject to their laws)

greggarious 4y ago

I said nothing about working. I will save up enough money to live for a while without working, and see if I make local contacts, get married. Also "emigration" could mean one of the options with an EU passport, not just hanging around coffeeshops doing non-income generating projects and hoping to meet a partner or paying for a student visa to study a country's native language, which is cheaper than you'd expect in many non EU countries. (Like a typical American, I only speak English, though I know enough German and Spanish to navigate public transit() >Don't say that. Don't even joke about that. You must have no oversea-living experience I've presented scientific research on three continents. > If the 'worser' happens, it could be a literal 'get out of jail Free card' for you, depending on the diplomatic relations between the US and that country. I know what the State Department is, Sean "vilerat" Smith is one of the folks who tried to recruit me into the Central Intelligence agency, and I had a "get out of jail free card" in grad school -- they told me as long as the FBI doesn't kick in my adviser's door, I can do whatever I want in the state of Indiana. (Except, apparently, drop out with a master's and work a job that pays a fair wage for my skills and abilities, but I learned a lot in Bloomington.) Maybe your friend in Milano and I can connect? I know a lot about cybersecurity, but since I was an altar server and raised Catholic, and thus do not believe in murder, I have issues in America. (The pope famously said you must go to confession if you volunteer to kill someone in Iraq, a war started when I was a minor, and I told many people in my hometown I will not work for an organization that builds robots to kill brown people at a dinner where they stood around joking that maybe Han's Reiser's wife deserved it -- which was dark as hell since they'd printed a placard for him but he obviously could not attend. Combine those views with the issues you have in Appalachia if you're an exCatholic Me-Too advocate, and you'll begin to understand why I am writing, in increasing detail, why I feel unwelcome in my country of birth.)

082349872349872 4y ago
> Like a typical American, I only speak English, though I know enough German and Spanish to navigate public transit YMMV, but from my experience, I'd suggest budgeting ~2 years to get to reasonable fluency wherever you wind up going, and ~5 years to feel like you've got the hang of your adopted culture. (That's starting from scratch; these days with everything available from home on the internet you might be able to shorten it a bit?) In bocca al lupo!