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I'm surprised to hear that about Australian public opinion. In the US, we have a rare bipartisan agreement that China is our largest strategic enemy. Biden was

I'm surprised to hear that about Australian public opinion. In the US, we have a rare bipartisan agreement that China is our largest strategic enemy. Biden was able to do radical things like ban export of advanced chips to China, a move which has generally been approved by both sides of the aisle.

andrewstuart 4y ago
Ironically, it was Australia via former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who alerted the USA to the true nature of the relationship with China. This happened when Turnbull urged the USA to ban installation of 5G by CCP controlled telecommunications companies. Australia alerting the world in this way is one of the reasons China became enraged with Australia and imposed a massive trade war against us. There are, unfortunately, many people who when presented with modern reality, say things like “we need to stop being a slave to U.S interests”. Many people I believe simply haven’t followed international affairs closely enough to realize what is actually happening, and they carry through 1970s “we are not a US colony” thinking to the present. I find it startling when people haven’t seen what is happening on our doorstep. I for one am extremely glad of the US alliance and if anything want closer defence connections. We are going to need it. It’s extremely concerning that the new Australian government has been working extremely hard to reestablish friendly and close relationship with China. This will come at a heavy price I fear.
ashwagary 4y ago
>Im surprised to hear that about Australian public opinion. Dissenting voices in Australia seem far more aware of the profit motive behind potentially unneeded militarization. I believe this is due to less complicated accounting of government spending when compared to countries like the US. >The diplomatic messaging from the CCP became extremely aggressive a couple of years ago. The outcome of this bullying was essentially to wake up the world to the threat that China had become. It's clear the Chinese hear western propaganda and respond to it, shouldn't be surprising. Everything from the blame for covid (which recent signs point to being a US lab creation) to western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it. This naturally results in a re-adjustment in approach to engagement. >This period of Chinese open hostility towards the world essentially made many countries into enemies or at least adversaries of China. This statement doesn't ring true. They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries that make up a small minority of the planet's population. I doubt any recovering nation that's been invaded by these same western countries and is planning to survive the next few centuries would take further threats of mass murder and invasion lightly.
- ProjectArcturis 4y ago
  Your post contains many factual errors. I'm not sure there's a true statement in it at all.
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    I disagree. What do you think is erroneous specifically?
    - ProjectArcturis 4y ago
      >which recent signs point to being a US lab creation >western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it >They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries
      - ashwagary 4y ago
        >>>They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries Western countries have an ignorant habit of posturing like they are more than 15% of the world population, they even go so far as to frame themselves as the global majority in many cases. Free trade expansion, economic cooperation, debt forgiveness, etc... encompassing more than 70% of the world population make claims of general Chinese hostility sound like westcentric nonsense. "The New Candidate Countries For BRICS Expansion" https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/11/09/the-new-candidate-countries-for-brics-expansion/ https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/11/09/the-new-can... "(US-China) Great Power Conflict Fuels BRICS Expansion Push" https://thediplomat.com/2022/07/great-power-conflict-fuels-brics-expansion-push/ https://thediplomat.com/2022/07/great-power-conflict-fuels-b... "China Forgives 23 Loans for 17 African Countries, Expands ‘Win-Win’ Trade and Infrastructure Projects" https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/china-forgives-23-loans-for-17-african-countries-expands-win-win-trade-and-infrastructure-projects/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/china-forgives-23-loans-fo... >>>which recent signs point to being a US lab creation "Jeffrey Sachs Presents Evidence of Possible Lab Origin of Covid-19" https://theintercept.com/2022/05/19/covid-lab-leak-evidence-jeffrey-sachs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/05/19/covid-lab-leak-evidence-... "DARPA docs on the origins of COVID-19 & confirming gain-of-function research." https://twitter.com/EricSpracklen/status/1608179885297508353 https://twitter.com/EricSpracklen/status/1608179885297508353 >>>western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it "US admiral would ‘nuke China next week’ if Trump ordered it" https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2104336/us-admiral-would-nuke-china-next-week-if-trump https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article... “We need a military full of Type A men who want to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls” https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-we-need-military-full-type-men-who-want-sit-throne-chinese-skulls https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-we-need-mili... "Why is Biden Risking Nuclear War With China? - Chomsky and Ellsberg" https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM7SRz2wnTo https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM7SRz2wnTo

andrewstuart 4y ago

Ironically, it was Australia via former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who alerted the USA to the true nature of the relationship with China. This happened when Turnbull urged the USA to ban installation of 5G by CCP controlled telecommunications companies. Australia alerting the world in this way is one of the reasons China became enraged with Australia and imposed a massive trade war against us. There are, unfortunately, many people who when presented with modern reality, say things like “we need to stop being a slave to U.S interests”. Many people I believe simply haven’t followed international affairs closely enough to realize what is actually happening, and they carry through 1970s “we are not a US colony” thinking to the present. I find it startling when people haven’t seen what is happening on our doorstep. I for one am extremely glad of the US alliance and if anything want closer defence connections. We are going to need it. It’s extremely concerning that the new Australian government has been working extremely hard to reestablish friendly and close relationship with China. This will come at a heavy price I fear.

ashwagary 4y ago

>Im surprised to hear that about Australian public opinion. Dissenting voices in Australia seem far more aware of the profit motive behind potentially unneeded militarization. I believe this is due to less complicated accounting of government spending when compared to countries like the US. >The diplomatic messaging from the CCP became extremely aggressive a couple of years ago. The outcome of this bullying was essentially to wake up the world to the threat that China had become. It's clear the Chinese hear western propaganda and respond to it, shouldn't be surprising. Everything from the blame for covid (which recent signs point to being a US lab creation) to western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it. This naturally results in a re-adjustment in approach to engagement. >This period of Chinese open hostility towards the world essentially made many countries into enemies or at least adversaries of China. This statement doesn't ring true. They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries that make up a small minority of the planet's population. I doubt any recovering nation that's been invaded by these same western countries and is planning to survive the next few centuries would take further threats of mass murder and invasion lightly.

ProjectArcturis 4y ago
Your post contains many factual errors. I'm not sure there's a true statement in it at all.
- ashwagary 4y ago
  I disagree. What do you think is erroneous specifically?
  - ProjectArcturis 4y ago
    >which recent signs point to being a US lab creation >western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it >They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      >>>They havent been hostile to the world, just to factions within a few western countries Western countries have an ignorant habit of posturing like they are more than 15% of the world population, they even go so far as to frame themselves as the global majority in many cases. Free trade expansion, economic cooperation, debt forgiveness, etc... encompassing more than 70% of the world population make claims of general Chinese hostility sound like westcentric nonsense. "The New Candidate Countries For BRICS Expansion" https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/11/09/the-new-candidate-countries-for-brics-expansion/ https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2022/11/09/the-new-can... "(US-China) Great Power Conflict Fuels BRICS Expansion Push" https://thediplomat.com/2022/07/great-power-conflict-fuels-brics-expansion-push/ https://thediplomat.com/2022/07/great-power-conflict-fuels-b... "China Forgives 23 Loans for 17 African Countries, Expands ‘Win-Win’ Trade and Infrastructure Projects" https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/china-forgives-23-loans-for-17-african-countries-expands-win-win-trade-and-infrastructure-projects/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/08/23/china-forgives-23-loans-fo... >>>which recent signs point to being a US lab creation "Jeffrey Sachs Presents Evidence of Possible Lab Origin of Covid-19" https://theintercept.com/2022/05/19/covid-lab-leak-evidence-jeffrey-sachs/ https://theintercept.com/2022/05/19/covid-lab-leak-evidence-... "DARPA docs on the origins of COVID-19 & confirming gain-of-function research." https://twitter.com/EricSpracklen/status/1608179885297508353 https://twitter.com/EricSpracklen/status/1608179885297508353 >>>western thought leaders openly discussing nuking a billion relatively peaceful people and not being condemned for it "US admiral would ‘nuke China next week’ if Trump ordered it" https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2104336/us-admiral-would-nuke-china-next-week-if-trump https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article... “We need a military full of Type A men who want to sit on a throne of Chinese skulls” https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-we-need-military-full-type-men-who-want-sit-throne-chinese-skulls https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-we-need-mili... "Why is Biden Risking Nuclear War With China? - Chomsky and Ellsberg" https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM7SRz2wnTo https://youtube.com/watch?v=CM7SRz2wnTo