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The copyright around Peter Pan is super interesting with an amendment in UK law to extend it to provide income to the very good cause of Great Ormond Street Hos

The copyright around Peter Pan is super interesting with an amendment in UK law to extend it to provide income to the very good cause of Great Ormond Street Hospital: https://www.gosh.org/about-us/peter-pan/copyright/ https://www.gosh.org/about-us/peter-pan/copyright/ > J M Barrie’s gift of the rights to Peter Pan has provided a significant source of income to Great Ormond Street Hospital > The copyright first expired in the UK (and the rest of Europe) in 1987, 50 years after Barrie’s death. > However, former Prime Minister Lord Callaghan successfully proposed an amendment to the Copyright Designs and Patents Act (CDPA) of 1988, giving Great Ormond Street Hospital the unique right to royalties from stage performances of Peter Pan (and any adaptation of the play) as well as from publications, audio books, ebooks,radio broadcasts and films of the story of Peter Pan, in perpetuity. I think this means that the adaptions you are referring to haven't been published in the UK. For those outside the UK and unaware GOSH if the most famous and most highly regarded children hospital in the UK. The NHS here get much criticism at times but the prevision for children is world class with a network of incredible children's hospitals. Having been in the situation where my child has been under the care of one of the children's hospitals, they are incredible.

fredoralive 4y ago
I'm not sure if GOSH can actually legally block derivative works, the relevant clauses are more about claiming a royalty, not a continuation of copyright, ie: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossheading/provisions-for-the-benefit-of-the-hospital-for-sick-children https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossh... "Provisions for the benefit of Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children. The provisions of Schedule 6 have effect for conferring on Children's Charity for the benefit of Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children a right to a royalty in respect of the public performance, commercial publication communication to the public of the play “Peter Pan” by Sir James Matthew Barrie, or of any adaptation of that work, notwithstanding that copyright in the work expired on 31st December 1987." GOSH can of course maintain a moral right as intended inheritor of the rights to approve disprove or derivative works, but as the copyright has expired I'm not sure if they have many legal rights. (Not a Lawyer, etc. etc.)
- lambertsimnel 4y ago
  I share your understanding. Under the anomalous Peter Pan arrangement, restrictions on derivative works expired (in 2007, after the duration was extended), but GOSH's royalties continue. It sounds a bit like the situation for songwriters who record their own songs. They hold two kinds of copyrights (one on the songs themselves, and one on the recordings). Initially, holders of those copyrights have extensive control over the songs, but then when the recordings' copyrights expire their control diminishes: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-notice-duration-of-copyright-term/copyright-notice-duration-of-copyright-term#how-long-is-the-duration-of-copyright https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-notice-... (Also not a lawyer)
krisoft 4y ago
> I think this means that the adaptions you are referring to haven't been published in the UK. Or you know, they were and paid royalties to the hospital. That is also an option.

fredoralive 4y ago

I'm not sure if GOSH can actually legally block derivative works, the relevant clauses are more about claiming a royalty, not a continuation of copyright, ie: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossheading/provisions-for-the-benefit-of-the-hospital-for-sick-children https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/48/part/VII/crossh... "Provisions for the benefit of Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children. The provisions of Schedule 6 have effect for conferring on Children's Charity for the benefit of Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children a right to a royalty in respect of the public performance, commercial publication communication to the public of the play “Peter Pan” by Sir James Matthew Barrie, or of any adaptation of that work, notwithstanding that copyright in the work expired on 31st December 1987." GOSH can of course maintain a moral right as intended inheritor of the rights to approve disprove or derivative works, but as the copyright has expired I'm not sure if they have many legal rights. (Not a Lawyer, etc. etc.)

lambertsimnel 4y ago
I share your understanding. Under the anomalous Peter Pan arrangement, restrictions on derivative works expired (in 2007, after the duration was extended), but GOSH's royalties continue. It sounds a bit like the situation for songwriters who record their own songs. They hold two kinds of copyrights (one on the songs themselves, and one on the recordings). Initially, holders of those copyrights have extensive control over the songs, but then when the recordings' copyrights expire their control diminishes: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-notice-duration-of-copyright-term/copyright-notice-duration-of-copyright-term#how-long-is-the-duration-of-copyright https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/copyright-notice-... (Also not a lawyer)

krisoft 4y ago

> I think this means that the adaptions you are referring to haven't been published in the UK. Or you know, they were and paid royalties to the hospital. That is also an option.