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It is a deterrent. You could pretend it’s not but that doesn’t make it less true. When more crypto scammers go to jail, it has an effect on people’s risk taking

It is a deterrent. You could pretend it’s not but that doesn’t make it less true. When more crypto scammers go to jail, it has an effect on people’s risk taking behavior. Of course it does. To say it doesn’t is fallacious.

Gordonjcp 4y ago
It's not a deterrent, though, because they're still doing it. Does it fix the problem? Does it get the people they scammed their money back?
- dinkumthinkum 4y ago
  It is very clearly a deterrent. So you think anyone who ever considered committing a crime was never deterred by the possibility of prison? People say all the time “I was going to do X but I didn’t want to go to prison” that prima facia is an example of deterrence to the extent that many such people were serious. Honestly, I shouldn’t need to use such a banal example for something so obvious. Furthermore, you are therefore implying that if we did not issue any prison sentences then we would have the same amount of crime as we do now (or possibly you think it would be less) because the threat of prison has no effect of deterrence. That is unbelievably ridiculous.
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    The people who committed crimes weren't deterred by prison sentences. Once they're released from prison, they will continue to commit crimes. Prisons don't work. Let's put it this way - suppose someone is too illiterate to get a job (like a huge chunk of the prison population) and turns to theft to support themselves, possibly because they have a drug habit. Does locking them in prison make them any more less addicted to drugs, or any more able to get a job? Does it actually solve the underlying problem?
kaibee 4y ago
> It is a deterrent. You could pretend it’s not but that doesn’t make it less true. When more crypto scammers go to jail, it has an effect on people’s risk taking behavior. The only thing that is actually a deterrent is actually catching criminals [1]. No criminal does what they do expecting that they'll get caught and then weighing the crime against the potential sentence. > Of course it does. To say it doesn’t is fallacious. "trust me bro, its common sense" [1] https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-best-way-to-end-mass-incarceration https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-best-way-to-end-mass-incarc...
- dinkumthinkum 4y ago
  You can use this “trust me bro” nonsense but it is obvious to anyone that can think clearly that the threat of prison time deters crime. It is not 100% effective, obviously but it deters potential criminals. People do make risk based decisions based on the possibility of getting caught and facing prison. I don’t know what it says that you think this obvious fact is some kind hand waving.

Gordonjcp 4y ago

It's not a deterrent, though, because they're still doing it. Does it fix the problem? Does it get the people they scammed their money back?

dinkumthinkum 4y ago
It is very clearly a deterrent. So you think anyone who ever considered committing a crime was never deterred by the possibility of prison? People say all the time “I was going to do X but I didn’t want to go to prison” that prima facia is an example of deterrence to the extent that many such people were serious. Honestly, I shouldn’t need to use such a banal example for something so obvious. Furthermore, you are therefore implying that if we did not issue any prison sentences then we would have the same amount of crime as we do now (or possibly you think it would be less) because the threat of prison has no effect of deterrence. That is unbelievably ridiculous.
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  The people who committed crimes weren't deterred by prison sentences. Once they're released from prison, they will continue to commit crimes. Prisons don't work. Let's put it this way - suppose someone is too illiterate to get a job (like a huge chunk of the prison population) and turns to theft to support themselves, possibly because they have a drug habit. Does locking them in prison make them any more less addicted to drugs, or any more able to get a job? Does it actually solve the underlying problem?

kaibee 4y ago

> It is a deterrent. You could pretend it’s not but that doesn’t make it less true. When more crypto scammers go to jail, it has an effect on people’s risk taking behavior. The only thing that is actually a deterrent is actually catching criminals [1]. No criminal does what they do expecting that they'll get caught and then weighing the crime against the potential sentence. > Of course it does. To say it doesn’t is fallacious. "trust me bro, its common sense" [1] https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-best-way-to-end-mass-incarceration https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-best-way-to-end-mass-incarc...

dinkumthinkum 4y ago
You can use this “trust me bro” nonsense but it is obvious to anyone that can think clearly that the threat of prison time deters crime. It is not 100% effective, obviously but it deters potential criminals. People do make risk based decisions based on the possibility of getting caught and facing prison. I don’t know what it says that you think this obvious fact is some kind hand waving.