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I've recently got a MacBook at work (after years of Windows/Linux usage) and was amazed by one feature. When I close the lid of the laptop and leave it for 2 da

I've recently got a MacBook at work (after years of Windows/Linux usage) and was amazed by one feature. When I close the lid of the laptop and leave it for 2 days, its battery is not drained to 0, yet all the apps are still open when I open it again. Magic. I wonder if non-Apple manufacturers will some day in the future add this killer feature to their offering.

gabrielgio 4y ago
> leave it for 2 days, its battery is not drained to 0, yet all the apps are still open Isn’t that normal behaviour? Mine thinkpad T14 still has battery after a couple days sleeping.
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  Unfortunately, it's not normal these days. How old is your T14? It seems like it's becoming increasingly a problem for Thinkpads as well (e.g. https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=134241 https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=134241 )
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    It's a windows bug with S3 sleep. Microsoft is supposedly currently trying to fix it since LTT made a video about it
    - The_Colonel 4y ago
      I doubt MS is honestly trying to fix it, since it was MS who introduced Connected Standby as a replacement for S3 And I don't think it's just a software bug - many laptops now don't offer S3 at all, some only after toggling a BIOS option. Even then, it's often buggy on Linux as well.
    - OJFord 4y ago
      > Microsoft is supposedly currently trying to fix it since LTT made a video about it Certainly not because, if that's the implication. Maybe since then in time.
      - 411111111111111 4y ago
        Well, they said that a VP called LTT in response to their video, which is why I said supposedly. Original video: https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c Follow-up: https://youtu.be/TXsw_92Y2e0 https://youtu.be/TXsw_92Y2e0
  - gabrielgio 4y ago
    Mine is T14 Gen1 AMD with Alpine on it so I'm off the hook as it seems.
    - hookey 4y ago
      My P14s Gen1 AMD (very similar to T14) with Debian still has this problem. 2 days unplugged will drain the whole battery and turn off. Maybe it's because I kept a Windows partition around?
      - smasty 4y ago
        Updating the BIOS via fwupd fixed it in my case, running Debian testing on a P14s Gen1 AMD.
zekica 4y ago
My Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2 ARE (Ryzen 7 4700U) does exactly the same. Close the lid, wait two days, open the lid - the battery is drained about 10% and... Magic. This is on Linux, and the only reason for reboot is if there is an updated kernel. I once postponed the reboot for more than 3 months.
- qayxc 4y ago
  Same here. Different hardware (much older) and Windows 11. Haven't rebooted that machine in weeks either.
- vdfs 4y ago
  Does it support S3 sleep state? Most of recent laptops have removed it
martin82 4y ago
Meanwhile, when I let my iPad lying around unattended for 20 seconds, the thing immediately feels lonely and drains its battery to zero...
depressedpanda 4y ago
Protip for Linux users: 1. Configure your system so that hibernate works. 2. Set `HandleLidSwitch=suspend-then-hibernate` in `/etc/systemd/logind.conf` 3. Optionally change `HibernateDelaySec=120min` in `/etc/systemd/sleep.conf` to something that suits you better. You can now close the lid of your laptop and leave it for _months_ without the battery draining to 0, and still resume your work from where you left it.
- CoolCold 4y ago
  I wonder, will "protip" can be used by "pro" users who for sure don't have `systemd` on their uniq and so special needs setup? ;)
rejectfinite 4y ago
My work provided Lenovo Thinkpad T490s (2019) running Windows 10 does this. It is called "sleep mode" My desktop from 2014 does the same. Yes, I have heard problems with "modern standby" but have not experienced any issues.

gabrielgio 4y ago

> leave it for 2 days, its battery is not drained to 0, yet all the apps are still open Isn’t that normal behaviour? Mine thinkpad T14 still has battery after a couple days sleeping.

The_Colonel 4y ago
Unfortunately, it's not normal these days. How old is your T14? It seems like it's becoming increasingly a problem for Thinkpads as well (e.g. https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=134241 https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=134241 )
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  It's a windows bug with S3 sleep. Microsoft is supposedly currently trying to fix it since LTT made a video about it
  - The_Colonel 4y ago
    I doubt MS is honestly trying to fix it, since it was MS who introduced Connected Standby as a replacement for S3 And I don't think it's just a software bug - many laptops now don't offer S3 at all, some only after toggling a BIOS option. Even then, it's often buggy on Linux as well.
  - OJFord 4y ago
    > Microsoft is supposedly currently trying to fix it since LTT made a video about it Certainly not because, if that's the implication. Maybe since then in time.
    - 411111111111111 4y ago
      Well, they said that a VP called LTT in response to their video, which is why I said supposedly. Original video: https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c https://youtu.be/OHKKcd3sx2c Follow-up: https://youtu.be/TXsw_92Y2e0 https://youtu.be/TXsw_92Y2e0
- gabrielgio 4y ago
  Mine is T14 Gen1 AMD with Alpine on it so I'm off the hook as it seems.
  - hookey 4y ago
    My P14s Gen1 AMD (very similar to T14) with Debian still has this problem. 2 days unplugged will drain the whole battery and turn off. Maybe it's because I kept a Windows partition around?
    - smasty 4y ago
      Updating the BIOS via fwupd fixed it in my case, running Debian testing on a P14s Gen1 AMD.

zekica 4y ago

My Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2 ARE (Ryzen 7 4700U) does exactly the same. Close the lid, wait two days, open the lid - the battery is drained about 10% and... Magic. This is on Linux, and the only reason for reboot is if there is an updated kernel. I once postponed the reboot for more than 3 months.

qayxc 4y ago
Same here. Different hardware (much older) and Windows 11. Haven't rebooted that machine in weeks either.
vdfs 4y ago
Does it support S3 sleep state? Most of recent laptops have removed it

martin82 4y ago

Meanwhile, when I let my iPad lying around unattended for 20 seconds, the thing immediately feels lonely and drains its battery to zero...

depressedpanda 4y ago

Protip for Linux users: 1. Configure your system so that hibernate works. 2. Set `HandleLidSwitch=suspend-then-hibernate` in `/etc/systemd/logind.conf` 3. Optionally change `HibernateDelaySec=120min` in `/etc/systemd/sleep.conf` to something that suits you better. You can now close the lid of your laptop and leave it for _months_ without the battery draining to 0, and still resume your work from where you left it.

CoolCold 4y ago
I wonder, will "protip" can be used by "pro" users who for sure don't have `systemd` on their uniq and so special needs setup? ;)

rejectfinite 4y ago

My work provided Lenovo Thinkpad T490s (2019) running Windows 10 does this. It is called "sleep mode" My desktop from 2014 does the same. Yes, I have heard problems with "modern standby" but have not experienced any issues.