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> The issue which people react so allergic to is the complete lack of tolerance by the transgender community. I doubt that is the main reason. Society has been
by TaylorAlexander 4y ago
> The issue which people react so allergic to is the complete lack of tolerance by the transgender community.
I doubt that is the main reason. Society has been pretty clear for a long time that certain people found trans people too strange to accept them. Gay people have been treated the same way. I think most people that don’t like trans people are probably also uncomfortable with gay people even if they are more likely to say it’s okay to be gay.
> If someone points out that a man who really wants to be a women is in principle still a man then they get instantly labelled a bigot.
You can avoid being called a bigot by understanding the following basic concepts.
Sex and gender are two distinct ideas. Gender as described by Judith Butler is a kind of performance that you do. It starts in childhood where we give boys the color blue and toy trucks and we give girls the color pink and dolls. Men wear pants and never wear dresses and women wear dresses and skits and use a purse. A man never wears a purse and if he has anything close it’s called a bag, definitely not a purse.
The above are made up concepts. Clothes and bags and pink and blue are not biological reality, they’re just made up by society. They’re part of a performance of gender. You can change your gender just by changing your performance.
Sex is a biological concept that relates to what secondary sex characteristics your body presents. Hormone levels, genitals, etc. this is still don’t a binary concept as intersex people exist and are something like 1% of the population. It’s also unclear if someone completely changes their hormones and has surgery to change their genitals, what is the point of saying “you’re still a man”? Such a statement is likely to bring up feelings of pain and misery the person has had from people who have been intolerant towards them. It also is unclear if you’re referring to biological sex or gender, and trans people are often terrified that they’re not performing their gender properly.
It’s like going up to a fat person and saying “wow you’re fat” and then walking around saying “fat people are intolerant because they get upset when I call them fat”. Maybe on some level you’re right, but you’re being an asshole if you insist on saying that. And again, if a trans person has severely changed their sex hormones, the concept of “sex never changes” is shaky anyway.
So stop trying to tell trans women they’re really men. Such a statement completely misses all the subtle realities of such a statement, serves no productive purpose, and is rude as hell.
- bbbbbp 4y ago[flagged]
- growse 4y ago[flagged]
- bbbbbp 4y ago[flagged]
- growse 4y agoYou expressed incredulity that someone would define men/women in a reductive way (they didn't by the way, you missed their point) and then in the very next paragraph demonstrated that you have an extraordinarily reductive view of what defines a 'man'. Come on! You can do better! I believe in you!
- bbbbbp 4y ago[flagged]
- growse 4y agoWe get it. You think sex and gender are the same thing, and have very narrow views on how they're defined and a woeful lack of acknowledgement that there's even a sliver of complexity here. But you're not even trying to argue this or convince anyone of anything. You're just saying "nuh huh. What I believe in true and applies to everyone whether they like it or not". I'm guessing there's nothing out there that'll change your mind. You've taken a fundamentalist position, which begs the question why are you here?
- bbbbbp 4y ago[flagged]