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Don't buy a Tesla and you'll be fine. I work in auto insurance and the other OEMs actually care about safety and testing of software. Tesla has the most bugs by

by smt88 4y ago

Don't buy a Tesla and you'll be fine. I work in auto insurance and the other OEMs actually care about safety and testing of software. Tesla has the most bugs by far.

manscrober 4y ago
I don't know about tesla since I haven't had a chance to drive one yet, but the number of bugs especially in the interface but also in driver's "assistance" in other cars(VW, BMW) makes me doubt that it makes a noticeable difference - at least with tesla there is a chance they will fix it
- kube-system 4y ago
  Many of the electronic systems in traditional automaker's vehicles are made by a variety of other OEMs anyway. So judging by automaker brand may not really be a good judge of the engineering development of those subsystems. The infotainment might be made by Panasonic and the driver assistance might be made by Bosch.
  - piceas 4y ago
    They are interconnected though. Reputation for faults add up. To me the following is vw's fault. I've recently had an id4's location fail, and the map was all over the place. It got worse as I drove on. Annoying, but I thought not a safety issue until the speed limiter caused the car to attempt to slow down by more than 100kph as it was reporting it was somewhere else.
  - someweirdperson 4y ago
    The industry is really good at inventing the wheel multiple times. Even in a simple case: Two car manufacturers, same supplier for the same kind of control unit - the hardware will likely look similar, but most likely both are running almost completely different software.
    - kube-system 4y ago
      > the hardware will likely look similar, but most likely both are running almost completely different software. And automotive parts OEMs could run down to Best Buy, point at a Surface Book and a Macbook, and say the same thing.
- smt88 4y ago
  Other OEMs fix bugs all the time. The difference is that Tesla has bugs throughout its software, including critical systems. The other OEMs are extremely slow and methodical about updating things like their fuel-injection software, and that stuff goes through incredible amounts of QA. The same is not true of Tesla. They're a company that, at Musk's direction, do not prioritize QA or human life.
drstewart 4y ago
>other OEMs actually care about safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch... https://medium.com/the-snail/the-exploding-ford-pinto-of-1973-ff26148d8834 https://medium.com/the-snail/the-exploding-ford-pinto-of-197... https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-unintended-acceleration/story?id=22972214 https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-... Such care, wow.
- smt88 4y ago
  It's easy to cherry-pick these things and succumb to confirmation bias. I was talking about company culture, not results. But as long as we're talking about results, "FSD" is an intentional homicide engine and Tesla has had far more recalls per vehicle sold than any other company. They're at the bottom of quality rankings by a wide margin.

by smt88 4y ago

Don't buy a Tesla and you'll be fine. I work in auto insurance and the other OEMs actually care about safety and testing of software. Tesla has the most bugs by far.

manscrober 4y ago

I don't know about tesla since I haven't had a chance to drive one yet, but the number of bugs especially in the interface but also in driver's "assistance" in other cars(VW, BMW) makes me doubt that it makes a noticeable difference - at least with tesla there is a chance they will fix it

kube-system 4y ago
Many of the electronic systems in traditional automaker's vehicles are made by a variety of other OEMs anyway. So judging by automaker brand may not really be a good judge of the engineering development of those subsystems. The infotainment might be made by Panasonic and the driver assistance might be made by Bosch.
- piceas 4y ago
  They are interconnected though. Reputation for faults add up. To me the following is vw's fault. I've recently had an id4's location fail, and the map was all over the place. It got worse as I drove on. Annoying, but I thought not a safety issue until the speed limiter caused the car to attempt to slow down by more than 100kph as it was reporting it was somewhere else.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  The industry is really good at inventing the wheel multiple times. Even in a simple case: Two car manufacturers, same supplier for the same kind of control unit - the hardware will likely look similar, but most likely both are running almost completely different software.
  - kube-system 4y ago
    > the hardware will likely look similar, but most likely both are running almost completely different software. And automotive parts OEMs could run down to Best Buy, point at a Surface Book and a Macbook, and say the same thing.
smt88 4y ago
Other OEMs fix bugs all the time. The difference is that Tesla has bugs throughout its software, including critical systems. The other OEMs are extremely slow and methodical about updating things like their fuel-injection software, and that stuff goes through incredible amounts of QA. The same is not true of Tesla. They're a company that, at Musk's direction, do not prioritize QA or human life.

drstewart 4y ago

>other OEMs actually care about safety https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firestone_and_Ford_tire_contro... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch... https://medium.com/the-snail/the-exploding-ford-pinto-of-1973-ff26148d8834 https://medium.com/the-snail/the-exploding-ford-pinto-of-197... https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-unintended-acceleration/story?id=22972214 https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/toyota-pay-12b-hiding-deadly-... Such care, wow.

smt88 4y ago
It's easy to cherry-pick these things and succumb to confirmation bias. I was talking about company culture, not results. But as long as we're talking about results, "FSD" is an intentional homicide engine and Tesla has had far more recalls per vehicle sold than any other company. They're at the bottom of quality rankings by a wide margin.