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I'm not defending smoking, but > costly Cigarettes are really cheap in places that don't heavily tax them > doesn't offer anything Human brains like nicotin

I'm not defending smoking, but > costly Cigarettes are really cheap in places that don't heavily tax them > doesn't offer anything Human brains like nicotine. It is mildly effective as a mood stabilizer. I think we both agree that the bad health effects are not worth it, but it's not accurate to say there's nothing on the other side of that equation.

oldsklgdfth 4y ago
I've heard of nicotine as nootropic and I've been meaning to get the gum. Also, I believe it's about the only thing in cigarettes that is not carcinogenic.
- dwringer 4y ago
  While there appear to be some sources claiming nicotine does not cause cancer, it is not a closed case as far as I can tell and there appears to be evidence that it can be an aggravating factor at least.[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  Nicotine is an anxiolytic. It helps anxiety. That can seem like a nootropic (some definitions even explicitly include them) especially if you have anxiety. The con of this is nicotine addiction. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, exercise and meditation all beat nicotine in effectiveness as anxiolytics and in strength of effect.
  - darawk 4y ago
    But not in effort to benefit ratio, excluding the downsides of nicotine. Chewing nicotine is cheap and easy, cognitive behavioral therapy, exercise, and meditation, all take significant amounts of time at the very least. Not arguing for the use of nicotine, but there are reasons people like taking pills (or chewing gum, as the case may be).
  - wuiheerfoj 4y ago
    I can’t find the study from a cursory search, but my understanding that nicotine addiction per se could not be replicated without combustion - non-smokers using nicotine patches did not exhibit dependence, but smokers did get dependence relief from them. To that end, non-combustible methods of nicotine might give the benefits without the addiction negatives (but still risks of e.g. pancreatic cancer)
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gilmore606 4y ago
> mildly effective as a mood stabilizer For some of us this is massively understating the case.

oldsklgdfth 4y ago

I've heard of nicotine as nootropic and I've been meaning to get the gum. Also, I believe it's about the only thing in cigarettes that is not carcinogenic.

dwringer 4y ago
While there appear to be some sources claiming nicotine does not cause cancer, it is not a closed case as far as I can tell and there appears to be evidence that it can be an aggravating factor at least.[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4553893/
vorpalhex 4y ago
Nicotine is an anxiolytic. It helps anxiety. That can seem like a nootropic (some definitions even explicitly include them) especially if you have anxiety. The con of this is nicotine addiction. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, exercise and meditation all beat nicotine in effectiveness as anxiolytics and in strength of effect.
- darawk 4y ago
  But not in effort to benefit ratio, excluding the downsides of nicotine. Chewing nicotine is cheap and easy, cognitive behavioral therapy, exercise, and meditation, all take significant amounts of time at the very least. Not arguing for the use of nicotine, but there are reasons people like taking pills (or chewing gum, as the case may be).
- wuiheerfoj 4y ago
  I can’t find the study from a cursory search, but my understanding that nicotine addiction per se could not be replicated without combustion - non-smokers using nicotine patches did not exhibit dependence, but smokers did get dependence relief from them. To that end, non-combustible methods of nicotine might give the benefits without the addiction negatives (but still risks of e.g. pancreatic cancer)
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gilmore606 4y ago

> mildly effective as a mood stabilizer For some of us this is massively understating the case.