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> And so, it is too late to prevent Norway or the world from changing. Because the changes are already in full swing. Exactly, so its time to adapt. The swage

> And so, it is too late to prevent Norway or the world from changing. Because the changes are already in full swing. Exactly, so its time to adapt. The swage system can't handle extra rain? Time for an infrastructure upgrade. Getting too hot? Time to accept the new reality and remove stupid laws banning or taxing AC, the East has been living on ACs for ages, its OK. Support relocating homes in danger of landslides, and also support the new farms made possible from the warmer temperatures. > Nevertheless, things are not completely hopeless. According to a new report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), we can still halt the rate of global warming. > But to do so we must implement comprehensive changes to our society, according to the IPCC. We must change everything from our eating habits to how we build our cities. Because this ain't happening and Climate change isn't going to stop any time soon.

yodsanklai 4y ago
> the East has been living on ACs for ages, its OK. It's not OK considering this makes climate change worse, that we're trying to move out of fossil fuel, and that energy is also going to be an issue (regardless of climate change).
- jacooper 4y ago
  Not doing this will affect people, so be it really. Excess heat deaths in Europe are caused by the lack of ACs.
- SyzygistSix 4y ago
  Considering AC runs on electricity and solar generally works best when AC is needed most, it's a problem with a solution.
brutusborn 4y ago
I agree that adaptation needs to be discussed. Ignoring it is delusional. However saying change isn’t happening isn’t fair. Many countries have built new energy infrastructure and investment in coal has become unattractive. It might not be enough to make climate activists happy, but we are definitely spending a lot of resources on this problem. Emissions targets are incentivising governments to reopen or reconsider nuclear. I don’t think carbon neutral by the end of the century is an unreasonable prediction.
- jacooper 4y ago
  I meant that individuals won't change their lifes for climate change. Change is happening at the infrastructure level, which is the right thing to target. But demanding individual actions when they aren't the biggest emitters is just stupid and no body is changing their lifes for this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34126507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34126507
  - SyzygistSix 4y ago
    >I meant that individuals won't change their lifes for climate change. They will if it becomes cool and fashionable, as well as making not changing more expensive. We made cigarette smoking expensive and in poor taste pretty quickly.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Maybe, but I don't know how one woule spin things such as using a slower /more efficient computer or switching to a more inconvenient method of transport as cool
      - SyzygistSix 4y ago
        Keeping a phone for more than one year would be a start. Quality clothes over fast fashion. The end of seeing flying overseas and being a"foodie" as cool and recognizing it as the trashy behavior it is. Large gas-guzzling vehicles being recognized as trashy rather than cool. There are a ton of examples like this.
        jacooper 4y ago
        > The end of seeing flying overseas and being a"foodie" as cool and recognizing it as the trashy behavior it is. Yeah no.. Loving to travel is trashy behavior? And how on earth is Loving food trashy behavior?
starkd 4y ago
There are a number of climate change experts who have come to that same realization. They have even suggested it is not as dire as many claim. People like Shellenberger, Lomborg and Judith Curry.
- polygamous_bat 4y ago
  The nature of free market means if there is money to be made, there will always be sellers for whatever junk you need, including indulgences. After my readings into the topic, Shellenberger seems to be the new age indulgence seller for the class that climate denial profits the most. I am much more inclined to believe the people who are warning us about the danger even when it would lose us money overall, because they can't be doing so from a profit motive.
thatwasunusual 4y ago
> Exactly, so its time to adapt. What kind of logic is that? If you have a problem, you should try to resolve it, not adapt to it. This is in line with American school shootings; instead of getting rid of guns (trying to solve the problem), you give teachers guns and students kevlar vests (adapting to the problem).
- jacooper 4y ago
  Unlike school shootings(just ban guns already), there is no way to resolve it, if resolve here means reverting damage/climate change. Changes are already in full force as explained by the report.

yodsanklai 4y ago

> the East has been living on ACs for ages, its OK. It's not OK considering this makes climate change worse, that we're trying to move out of fossil fuel, and that energy is also going to be an issue (regardless of climate change).

jacooper 4y ago
Not doing this will affect people, so be it really. Excess heat deaths in Europe are caused by the lack of ACs.
SyzygistSix 4y ago
Considering AC runs on electricity and solar generally works best when AC is needed most, it's a problem with a solution.

brutusborn 4y ago

I agree that adaptation needs to be discussed. Ignoring it is delusional. However saying change isn’t happening isn’t fair. Many countries have built new energy infrastructure and investment in coal has become unattractive. It might not be enough to make climate activists happy, but we are definitely spending a lot of resources on this problem. Emissions targets are incentivising governments to reopen or reconsider nuclear. I don’t think carbon neutral by the end of the century is an unreasonable prediction.

jacooper 4y ago
I meant that individuals won't change their lifes for climate change. Change is happening at the infrastructure level, which is the right thing to target. But demanding individual actions when they aren't the biggest emitters is just stupid and no body is changing their lifes for this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34126507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34126507
- SyzygistSix 4y ago
  >I meant that individuals won't change their lifes for climate change. They will if it becomes cool and fashionable, as well as making not changing more expensive. We made cigarette smoking expensive and in poor taste pretty quickly.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Maybe, but I don't know how one woule spin things such as using a slower /more efficient computer or switching to a more inconvenient method of transport as cool
    - SyzygistSix 4y ago
      Keeping a phone for more than one year would be a start. Quality clothes over fast fashion. The end of seeing flying overseas and being a"foodie" as cool and recognizing it as the trashy behavior it is. Large gas-guzzling vehicles being recognized as trashy rather than cool. There are a ton of examples like this.
      - jacooper 4y ago
        > The end of seeing flying overseas and being a"foodie" as cool and recognizing it as the trashy behavior it is. Yeah no.. Loving to travel is trashy behavior? And how on earth is Loving food trashy behavior?

starkd 4y ago

There are a number of climate change experts who have come to that same realization. They have even suggested it is not as dire as many claim. People like Shellenberger, Lomborg and Judith Curry.

polygamous_bat 4y ago
The nature of free market means if there is money to be made, there will always be sellers for whatever junk you need, including indulgences. After my readings into the topic, Shellenberger seems to be the new age indulgence seller for the class that climate denial profits the most. I am much more inclined to believe the people who are warning us about the danger even when it would lose us money overall, because they can't be doing so from a profit motive.

thatwasunusual 4y ago

> Exactly, so its time to adapt. What kind of logic is that? If you have a problem, you should try to resolve it, not adapt to it. This is in line with American school shootings; instead of getting rid of guns (trying to solve the problem), you give teachers guns and students kevlar vests (adapting to the problem).

jacooper 4y ago
Unlike school shootings(just ban guns already), there is no way to resolve it, if resolve here means reverting damage/climate change. Changes are already in full force as explained by the report.