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> massive and seemingly unified (even though the early Christians were hardly unified) agreement to adopt the human narrative No, you don't need agreement for

> massive and seemingly unified (even though the early Christians were hardly unified) agreement to adopt the human narrative No, you don't need agreement for any of this to happen. In fact quite the opposite, we know today that original christians (at the time of Paul) were at odds in practically anything, including the idea that Jesus came in flesh (you will find this being condemned in the new testament itself). However, from several branches of this fringe cult one won out over time, the one started by Paul (who never knew a real Jesus, as he confess by the way). This one branch created a single story (the Gospel of Mark) that was copied and embellished by several others. This is the one version of Christianity that became famous and powerful. So we don't have them all agreeing on the basic facts, as you mention. We have a story that was created and embellished, and them every other dissenting voice was suppressed.

notdonspaulding 4y ago
> original christians (at the time of Paul) were at odds in practically anything, including the idea that Jesus came in flesh (you will find this being condemned in the new testament itself). What are you saying is being condemned in the NT, exactly? > Paul (who never knew a real Jesus, as he confess by the way). Where does Paul confess that he never knew a real Jesus?
- coliveira 4y ago
  > Where does Paul confess that he never knew a real Jesus? In Galatians 1:12 to 1:16, Paul affirms that he didn't lean about Jesus from flesh and blood, but from God's revelation. In no moment Paul says he ever saw a real Jesus, only his "divine revelation", which is a big confession from someone who lived in Jerusalem during the supposed ministry of Jesus. Moreover, given his age he should have been himself among those who killed Jesus, but he never mentions this little fact.
  - mbfg 4y ago
    iirc, he actually didn't see anything, supposedly just heard a voice.
bnralt 4y ago
I'm confused. You said you believe Paul "preached a celestial being, not a human," but you think that his branch of Christianity completely invented the idea of a human Jesus just a few years after his death? It's not just that this theory has no evidence for it, but it seems to even contradict itself. Anyway, we know a lot about the beliefs of various early Christian groups, and even have the writings of a number of them. But none of them match the beliefs you're positing.

notdonspaulding 4y ago

> original christians (at the time of Paul) were at odds in practically anything, including the idea that Jesus came in flesh (you will find this being condemned in the new testament itself). What are you saying is being condemned in the NT, exactly? > Paul (who never knew a real Jesus, as he confess by the way). Where does Paul confess that he never knew a real Jesus?

coliveira 4y ago
> Where does Paul confess that he never knew a real Jesus? In Galatians 1:12 to 1:16, Paul affirms that he didn't lean about Jesus from flesh and blood, but from God's revelation. In no moment Paul says he ever saw a real Jesus, only his "divine revelation", which is a big confession from someone who lived in Jerusalem during the supposed ministry of Jesus. Moreover, given his age he should have been himself among those who killed Jesus, but he never mentions this little fact.
- mbfg 4y ago
  iirc, he actually didn't see anything, supposedly just heard a voice.

bnralt 4y ago

I'm confused. You said you believe Paul "preached a celestial being, not a human," but you think that his branch of Christianity completely invented the idea of a human Jesus just a few years after his death? It's not just that this theory has no evidence for it, but it seems to even contradict itself. Anyway, we know a lot about the beliefs of various early Christian groups, and even have the writings of a number of them. But none of them match the beliefs you're positing.