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Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. > Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concern

Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. > Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concerning. Prioritizing safety over education becomes prioritizing process over purpose. There will never be perfect safety anywhere, and if being safer than home isn't perfect enough, we logically should be intervening a lot more at home. The content and structure of education, however, we have almost complete control over (aside from the latitude of individual teachers who we hire and fire.) It's very convenient to ignore the thing we can control for the sake of the thing we can't. It's to postpone fixing the thing we can fix (matching educational content and process with our agreed upon intentions) for the sake of the thing that no institution in any place or culture has ever fixed (ending all crime, discomfort or suicide.)

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rdevsrex 4y ago
Schools are safer than homes? Where do you get that fact from? Has there been a study on this?
- escapedmoose 4y ago
  Anecdotally, 3 of the 4 homeschooled people I know were horribly abused in the course of their “education.” As children they had no trusted outlet or frame of reference to report it outside the home. Maybe not exactly what the comment was referencing, but it comes to mind for me immediately.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
> Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. Yeah, um, forgive me if I don't just believe your say-so. Got a source for your claim? Personally, I would say that it depends on the school, and on the home. > Prioritizing safety over education becomes prioritizing process over purpose. How well do you think people learn when they are worried about their safety? If you want to prioritize purpose, then make an environment conducive to the purpose. (In fact, looking at the actual environment created, one might suspect that education is not the actual purpose.)
saint_fiasco 4y ago
> Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes You know those jokes about the statistician who says that such-and-such thing kills fewer people than car crashes and people worry too much about it, and the other statistician responds that the people who know the statistics about car crashes probably don't worry enough about such-and-such? See for example https://xkcd.com/795/ https://xkcd.com/795/ School safety is a bit like that. If you look at generic statistics it looks like school is safer than home, but if you are the sort of person who worries about relative safety of schools vs homes and looks up statistics, then schools will in average be less safe than your home.

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rdevsrex 4y ago

Schools are safer than homes? Where do you get that fact from? Has there been a study on this?

escapedmoose 4y ago
Anecdotally, 3 of the 4 homeschooled people I know were horribly abused in the course of their “education.” As children they had no trusted outlet or frame of reference to report it outside the home. Maybe not exactly what the comment was referencing, but it comes to mind for me immediately.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

> Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. Yeah, um, forgive me if I don't just believe your say-so. Got a source for your claim? Personally, I would say that it depends on the school, and on the home. > Prioritizing safety over education becomes prioritizing process over purpose. How well do you think people learn when they are worried about their safety? If you want to prioritize purpose, then make an environment conducive to the purpose. (In fact, looking at the actual environment created, one might suspect that education is not the actual purpose.)

saint_fiasco 4y ago

> Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes You know those jokes about the statistician who says that such-and-such thing kills fewer people than car crashes and people worry too much about it, and the other statistician responds that the people who know the statistics about car crashes probably don't worry enough about such-and-such? See for example https://xkcd.com/795/ https://xkcd.com/795/ School safety is a bit like that. If you look at generic statistics it looks like school is safer than home, but if you are the sort of person who worries about relative safety of schools vs homes and looks up statistics, then schools will in average be less safe than your home.