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> It’s a real shame that people get so bent out of shape about trans people. Well, there’s now a conflict of rights between sex-based and gender-based identiti

> It’s a real shame that people get so bent out of shape about trans people. Well, there’s now a conflict of rights between sex-based and gender-based identities. When you say “It’s truly amazing and wonderful that we can do this,” you’re expressing a kind of euphoria [1] over becoming more feminine, but to many female people being feminine isn’t particularly what they want to be or to them what makes someone a woman - a woman is just an individual who happens to be female. [1] “the experience of pleasure or excitement and intense feelings of well-being and happiness”. I’ve no problem with people who wish to live in what’s called ‘a gender non-conforming way’ but I do have issue with the view that (for example) “To be identified as woman one must conform to one of a subset of appropriate genders”. Here’s a thought experiment - if typical female people started behaving more like your father, brother, uncle etc now act - if as a social change the ‘gender’ associated with females became masculine - would you still identify as a woman?

dragonwriter 4y ago
> Well, there’s now a conflict of rights between sex-based and gender-based identities. Nothing in your post supports, or is even suggestive of, any such “conflict of rights”. At most, it demonstrates a conflict of preferences for how gender is ascribed to other people with other people's gender identity, but imposing gender on other people is not a right.
- iiioii 4y ago
  I think they're alluding to the conflict over whether the various different types of sex-segregated spaces should be kept as-is, be separated by gender identity instead, or have any such restrictions removed entirely to become gender neutral.
TaylorAlexander 4y ago
Well I’m non-binary and gender-fluid, so I don’t identify as a woman. But what I meant was “it’s amazing we can take cross sex hormones and safely change our bodies.” So I wasn’t talking about sex or gender, just HRT specifically. My suggestion that “more people do this” was referring to the concept of HRT, whether that’s taking masculinizing or feminizing hormones. I just find the process fascinating and beautiful. And when I say I hope more people do it, I mean people who want to do it. So I apologize but your questions don’t really fit with what I meant. I don’t personally like the idea of rigid gender roles.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> Well, there’s now a conflict of rights between sex-based and gender-based identities. Nothing in your post supports, or is even suggestive of, any such “conflict of rights”. At most, it demonstrates a conflict of preferences for how gender is ascribed to other people with other people's gender identity, but imposing gender on other people is not a right.

iiioii 4y ago
I think they're alluding to the conflict over whether the various different types of sex-segregated spaces should be kept as-is, be separated by gender identity instead, or have any such restrictions removed entirely to become gender neutral.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

Well I’m non-binary and gender-fluid, so I don’t identify as a woman. But what I meant was “it’s amazing we can take cross sex hormones and safely change our bodies.” So I wasn’t talking about sex or gender, just HRT specifically. My suggestion that “more people do this” was referring to the concept of HRT, whether that’s taking masculinizing or feminizing hormones. I just find the process fascinating and beautiful. And when I say I hope more people do it, I mean people who want to do it. So I apologize but your questions don’t really fit with what I meant. I don’t personally like the idea of rigid gender roles.