3 ms·

Wouldn't the most hardcore selfish anti-immigrant position not want people immigrating at all?

pavlov 4y ago
There’s a difference between not allowing anyone in, and actively driving out young people who are already in and would make a substantial economic contribution over their careers. There are of course hardcore anti-immigrant people who advocate for the latter. That position is generally founded openly on sentimental nationalism and/or racism because it doesn’t make any economic sense.
- gadders 4y ago
  It makes economic sense to the fellow workers that are from the first world country. H1B visas etc are mainly a tool used by company founders, CEOs etc to keep wages down.
  - pavlov 4y ago
    We’re not talking about H1B visas but young adults who have already received an education in the US and are now facing deportation. This makes no sense for the national economy.
    - gadders 4y ago
      I feel for these young people and I hope to get to stay in the country of their choice. As a general point, though, the law of supply and demand applies to labour as it does any other commodity. Maybe net each one of these young people against a proposed H1B slot.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - rhaway84773 4y ago
    It’s hilarious that we just had a massive pandemic after which 90% of the discussion on this forum was about how everything can be done remotely now, and you think that American workers need to compete with H1Bs who no longer are competition for them when they remote work from Beijing instead of Hawaii, except, now, potentially at 1/3 the salary (at which they still live much better quality of lives in Beijing than they did in the US). The complete lack of logic of the anti-knowledge worker immigrant position never ceases to amuse me.
    - gadders 4y ago
      So you think unlimited H1B workers should be allowed to immigrate because the work can be done remotely anyway?
    - leereeves 4y ago
      Only a tiny fraction of jobs can be done (well) remotely. Those jobs are just over-represented here on HN.
  - WhiteBlueSkies 4y ago
    This is just a fact. If a company can hire someone for cheaper they will. They focus on profits and not on the well being of the country in which they're based.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]

There’s a difference between not allowing anyone in, and actively driving out young people who are already in and would make a substantial economic contribution over their careers. There are of course hardcore anti-immigrant people who advocate for the latter. That position is generally founded openly on sentimental nationalism and/or racism because it doesn’t make any economic sense.

gadders 4y ago
It makes economic sense to the fellow workers that are from the first world country. H1B visas etc are mainly a tool used by company founders, CEOs etc to keep wages down.
- pavlov 4y ago
  We’re not talking about H1B visas but young adults who have already received an education in the US and are now facing deportation. This makes no sense for the national economy.
  - gadders 4y ago
    I feel for these young people and I hope to get to stay in the country of their choice. As a general point, though, the law of supply and demand applies to labour as it does any other commodity. Maybe net each one of these young people against a proposed H1B slot.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  It’s hilarious that we just had a massive pandemic after which 90% of the discussion on this forum was about how everything can be done remotely now, and you think that American workers need to compete with H1Bs who no longer are competition for them when they remote work from Beijing instead of Hawaii, except, now, potentially at 1/3 the salary (at which they still live much better quality of lives in Beijing than they did in the US). The complete lack of logic of the anti-knowledge worker immigrant position never ceases to amuse me.
  - gadders 4y ago
    So you think unlimited H1B workers should be allowed to immigrate because the work can be done remotely anyway?
  - leereeves 4y ago
    Only a tiny fraction of jobs can be done (well) remotely. Those jobs are just over-represented here on HN.
- WhiteBlueSkies 4y ago
  This is just a fact. If a company can hire someone for cheaper they will. They focus on profits and not on the well being of the country in which they're based.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]