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Children are sponges for knowledge, but while still very impressionable pre puberty they are also vulnerable to programming/brainwashing....whether dogmatic rel

Children are sponges for knowledge, but while still very impressionable pre puberty they are also vulnerable to programming/brainwashing....whether dogmatic religion, nationalism/globalization, racialization of everything etc etc. The whole home schooling trend of children has grown in leaps and bounds by parents who don't want their children to be exposed 'learning' they deem to be unhealthy for their kids. ' In an ideal world schooling could improve 'intelligence' by helping children to think for themselves objectively but it's a common trope that school is just programming wrapped up as 'learning'.

phreeza 4y ago
Is it really true that children are so easily indoctrinated? In my experience there is a decent probability that they rebel against whatever the dominant ideology is when they are growing up once they enter puberty.
- kupopuffs 4y ago
  The rebellion itself can be learned I'd say kids are both malleable and at the same time grow to be incredibly resilient. I personally do not have kids.
- AnonCoward42 4y ago
  > Is it really true that children are so easily indoctrinated? It certainly is. You can easily single out rebellious children under a certain doctrine. You can reduce the numbers just by punishment. They might still be rebellious afterwards, but they are also isolated in society as a result also adding to the spiral. It is hard to deconstruct the frame you are living in.
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- kbelder 4y ago
  Among teenagers and 20-somethings, there's a weird culture where they feel they are rebelling by accepting wholeheartedly the ideology they're being taught. It feels very different than earlier decades.
ohmschool 4y ago
Worth noting, “discipline” issues are pretty serious and schools are disempowered from doing anything. Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concerning. I’ve been concussed from random assaults circa 2010 with no action being taken. Students with slap-on-the-wrist punishments for serious crimes being allows to commingle with legitimate students is an affront to reason. Here recently, a friends daughter attempted suicide. She and several other girls were sexually assaulted by a pair of recurring criminals predating upon students. Guidance counselors swept it under the rug in spite of “mandatory reporter” laws. Only on the fourth assault we’re they finally held accountable. Why would I want to send my kids to a place where this is normal and acceptable?
- theGnuMe 4y ago
  This sounds unbelievable.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. > Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concerning. Prioritizing safety over education becomes prioritizing process over purpose. There will never be perfect safety anywhere, and if being safer than home isn't perfect enough, we logically should be intervening a lot more at home. The content and structure of education, however, we have almost complete control over (aside from the latitude of individual teachers who we hire and fire.) It's very convenient to ignore the thing we can control for the sake of the thing we can't. It's to postpone fixing the thing we can fix (matching educational content and process with our agreed upon intentions) for the sake of the thing that no institution in any place or culture has ever fixed (ending all crime, discomfort or suicide.)
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  - rdevsrex 4y ago
    Schools are safer than homes? Where do you get that fact from? Has there been a study on this?
sandworm101 4y ago
Where did we decide that we want kids to think for themselves? Schools are by design meant to disuade such things. Standard public schools are about deciding who best comports with societal norms, rewarding those who society deems most fit, and providing childcare during working hours. The best thing a kid can ever take from school is a grade good enough for them to attend a proper institute of higher learning. The best thing one can ever take from highschool is getting out unscathed.
- dsfyu404ed 4y ago
  >Where did we decide that we want kids to think for themselves? There was a ~30yr period were western society gave it some lip service while backing that up with no reinforcing action. Say 1980-2010 or thereabouts.
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    And that lip service explains much of the state we are now in. "Think for yourself" is all well and good when the only place to find information is a library of carefully-curated books. Those kids are now "thinking for themselves" on the internet, doing their own "research" and falling down rabbit holes that end at anti-vac and flat earth groups. Perhaps we should have better taught kids to have some respect for the pursuit of knowledge. I have a grown man, a product of 70s and 80s public schools, who thinks taking horse dewormer is a better idea than getting a flu vaccine. And I cannot call him out as an idiot because this is a "political issue". THAT is what schools in the 70s and 80s did to people.
- ryanklee 4y ago
  Schools have their issues, but children learn essential skills and knowledge of the world at schools. Without public schools, most children would learn almost nothing in comparison and society would absolutely deteriorate. There are scarcely any other institutions, parents included, that are capable of teaching children how to read, write, do math, science fundamentals, etc. We should be dumping 1000x the amount of money we currently are into public schools. Teachers ought to be among the best paid members of the middle class. Yes, schools have their issues, but the solution is to recognize the critical function they serve and the massive underselling of what they could do for us if treated properly as an asset, and to start funding them correctly.
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phreeza 4y ago

Is it really true that children are so easily indoctrinated? In my experience there is a decent probability that they rebel against whatever the dominant ideology is when they are growing up once they enter puberty.

kupopuffs 4y ago
The rebellion itself can be learned I'd say kids are both malleable and at the same time grow to be incredibly resilient. I personally do not have kids.
AnonCoward42 4y ago
> Is it really true that children are so easily indoctrinated? It certainly is. You can easily single out rebellious children under a certain doctrine. You can reduce the numbers just by punishment. They might still be rebellious afterwards, but they are also isolated in society as a result also adding to the spiral. It is hard to deconstruct the frame you are living in.
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kbelder 4y ago
Among teenagers and 20-somethings, there's a weird culture where they feel they are rebelling by accepting wholeheartedly the ideology they're being taught. It feels very different than earlier decades.

ohmschool 4y ago

Worth noting, “discipline” issues are pretty serious and schools are disempowered from doing anything. Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concerning. I’ve been concussed from random assaults circa 2010 with no action being taken. Students with slap-on-the-wrist punishments for serious crimes being allows to commingle with legitimate students is an affront to reason. Here recently, a friends daughter attempted suicide. She and several other girls were sexually assaulted by a pair of recurring criminals predating upon students. Guidance counselors swept it under the rug in spite of “mandatory reporter” laws. Only on the fourth assault we’re they finally held accountable. Why would I want to send my kids to a place where this is normal and acceptable?

theGnuMe 4y ago
This sounds unbelievable.
pessimizer 4y ago
Schools are not safe, but schools are safer than homes. > Issues of “indoctrination” aside, I find the rampant bad behavior and lack of action far more concerning. Prioritizing safety over education becomes prioritizing process over purpose. There will never be perfect safety anywhere, and if being safer than home isn't perfect enough, we logically should be intervening a lot more at home. The content and structure of education, however, we have almost complete control over (aside from the latitude of individual teachers who we hire and fire.) It's very convenient to ignore the thing we can control for the sake of the thing we can't. It's to postpone fixing the thing we can fix (matching educational content and process with our agreed upon intentions) for the sake of the thing that no institution in any place or culture has ever fixed (ending all crime, discomfort or suicide.)
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- rdevsrex 4y ago
  Schools are safer than homes? Where do you get that fact from? Has there been a study on this?

sandworm101 4y ago

Where did we decide that we want kids to think for themselves? Schools are by design meant to disuade such things. Standard public schools are about deciding who best comports with societal norms, rewarding those who society deems most fit, and providing childcare during working hours. The best thing a kid can ever take from school is a grade good enough for them to attend a proper institute of higher learning. The best thing one can ever take from highschool is getting out unscathed.

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>Where did we decide that we want kids to think for themselves? There was a ~30yr period were western society gave it some lip service while backing that up with no reinforcing action. Say 1980-2010 or thereabouts.
- sandworm101 4y ago
  And that lip service explains much of the state we are now in. "Think for yourself" is all well and good when the only place to find information is a library of carefully-curated books. Those kids are now "thinking for themselves" on the internet, doing their own "research" and falling down rabbit holes that end at anti-vac and flat earth groups. Perhaps we should have better taught kids to have some respect for the pursuit of knowledge. I have a grown man, a product of 70s and 80s public schools, who thinks taking horse dewormer is a better idea than getting a flu vaccine. And I cannot call him out as an idiot because this is a "political issue". THAT is what schools in the 70s and 80s did to people.
ryanklee 4y ago
Schools have their issues, but children learn essential skills and knowledge of the world at schools. Without public schools, most children would learn almost nothing in comparison and society would absolutely deteriorate. There are scarcely any other institutions, parents included, that are capable of teaching children how to read, write, do math, science fundamentals, etc. We should be dumping 1000x the amount of money we currently are into public schools. Teachers ought to be among the best paid members of the middle class. Yes, schools have their issues, but the solution is to recognize the critical function they serve and the massive underselling of what they could do for us if treated properly as an asset, and to start funding them correctly.

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