13 ms·

kind of amusing to say that, given the reason this is occurring is because the US is an incredibly popular country for immigrants to flock to improve their QOL

kind of amusing to say that, given the reason this is occurring is because the US is an incredibly popular country for immigrants to flock to improve their QOL and give their kids the best opportunities even though they know they're entering on non-immigrant visas. Yeah USCIS is infamously glacial and the visa situation these people are in is extremely frustrating, yet they persevere to live in the US.

LeanderK 4y ago
But this is mainly an economic argument. And the comment was (in my point of view) about the ethics. High wages (or any income at all) can lure people into all sorts of situations. It is those that have that power to act responsible.
mathverse 4y ago
Dont mind him. A lot of europeans dont relate with that arrogant attitude some in the nordics show towards our american brethren.
Sakos 4y ago
That's the crux though, no? The US could be a legitimately incredible place, and there are glimpses of that all the time. The fact that her parents were able to immigrate and raise their child there is a great success story. I won't hesitate to say they contributed to the US's economy and tax system as much as any native born citizen. But then the US turns around and does this to the children of immigrants who would continue to contribute meaningfully? It's insanely wasteful, destructive, short-sighted and, most of all, cruel. If I had to describe the US in one sentence, that would be it. If I had to present an example of how paradoxically destructive the system is in the US, I'd pick her story, because it's oddly reflective of probably most stories I hear out of the US. Great deeds marred by evil, intentional or not.
- nverno 4y ago
  The US has by far the most foreign born residents of any country, and is always in the top 2 or 3 countries accepting immigrants every year! So, if you're going to measure the cruelness of a country by the immigrants they take in, the US would fair well on that scale. I mean basically everyone I know is either a first, second, or third gen immigrant.
  - Sakos 4y ago
    Tell that to the 19 year old girl who might get deported and who'll lose the only life she knows. I'm sure it'll comfort her to know how good other immigrants have had it. Cruelty can't be measured the way you're trying to.
    - nverno 4y ago
      It's a tragic story, but it is simply not the story of the US. There are lots of people looking out for Dreamers, too, I'd be surprised if she wasn't able to stay when it's all said and done.
    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      It probably sounds callous but her parents chose to move her here knowing full well she wasn’t on the path to citizenship. Apparently it’s been like this for a long time too.
    - keneda7 4y ago
      I feel like this idea of no need for responsibility is a massive trend in the US here and imo it needs to stop. You are completely blaming the us here when in fact the responsibility of this is on the parents. If the law had changed then while the child was growing up, sure say this is cruelty on the part of the US but in this case if you are going to say its cruelty then that cruelty falls on their parents who knowingly put them in this position. If I tell you not to go to the top of mount Everest as you will die and no one will come save you, then you choose to go to the top of Everest and freeze is who is at fault? The Nepal government or you? Imo that is 100% your fault.
    - Sakos 4y ago
      I'm just not going to reply to the heartless comments from (clearly) Americans. I don't have an infinite amount of time nor the responsibility to teach any of you compassion or economic common sense.
lawn 4y ago
Maybe that's because other countries are even worse and the US has a very good marketing?
- MomoXenosaga 4y ago
  I want to make one thing clear: the US is paradise for immigrants. You would not believe the pure economic calculations and soullessness that my northern European country visits upon refugees and migrants. The State is an all powerful and all encompassing entity that crushes anyone in its path.
Broken_Hippo 4y ago
I moved from the US to a northern European country. Taxes are high, but not as high as taxes + health insurance premiums + copay was in the US. And I can tell you this: If I were to have children, they are going to have plenty more opportunity here than they would if I still lived in the US. Even if they are poor, they are likely to have food, housing, and medical care. If you lack things like food, housing, and medical care, moving to the US might seem like a viable option, though.

LeanderK 4y ago

But this is mainly an economic argument. And the comment was (in my point of view) about the ethics. High wages (or any income at all) can lure people into all sorts of situations. It is those that have that power to act responsible.

mathverse 4y ago

Dont mind him. A lot of europeans dont relate with that arrogant attitude some in the nordics show towards our american brethren.

Sakos 4y ago

That's the crux though, no? The US could be a legitimately incredible place, and there are glimpses of that all the time. The fact that her parents were able to immigrate and raise their child there is a great success story. I won't hesitate to say they contributed to the US's economy and tax system as much as any native born citizen. But then the US turns around and does this to the children of immigrants who would continue to contribute meaningfully? It's insanely wasteful, destructive, short-sighted and, most of all, cruel. If I had to describe the US in one sentence, that would be it. If I had to present an example of how paradoxically destructive the system is in the US, I'd pick her story, because it's oddly reflective of probably most stories I hear out of the US. Great deeds marred by evil, intentional or not.

nverno 4y ago
The US has by far the most foreign born residents of any country, and is always in the top 2 or 3 countries accepting immigrants every year! So, if you're going to measure the cruelness of a country by the immigrants they take in, the US would fair well on that scale. I mean basically everyone I know is either a first, second, or third gen immigrant.
- Sakos 4y ago
  Tell that to the 19 year old girl who might get deported and who'll lose the only life she knows. I'm sure it'll comfort her to know how good other immigrants have had it. Cruelty can't be measured the way you're trying to.
  - nverno 4y ago
    It's a tragic story, but it is simply not the story of the US. There are lots of people looking out for Dreamers, too, I'd be surprised if she wasn't able to stay when it's all said and done.
  - UncleEntity 4y ago
    It probably sounds callous but her parents chose to move her here knowing full well she wasn’t on the path to citizenship. Apparently it’s been like this for a long time too.
  - keneda7 4y ago
    I feel like this idea of no need for responsibility is a massive trend in the US here and imo it needs to stop. You are completely blaming the us here when in fact the responsibility of this is on the parents. If the law had changed then while the child was growing up, sure say this is cruelty on the part of the US but in this case if you are going to say its cruelty then that cruelty falls on their parents who knowingly put them in this position. If I tell you not to go to the top of mount Everest as you will die and no one will come save you, then you choose to go to the top of Everest and freeze is who is at fault? The Nepal government or you? Imo that is 100% your fault.
  - Sakos 4y ago
    I'm just not going to reply to the heartless comments from (clearly) Americans. I don't have an infinite amount of time nor the responsibility to teach any of you compassion or economic common sense.

lawn 4y ago

Maybe that's because other countries are even worse and the US has a very good marketing?

MomoXenosaga 4y ago
I want to make one thing clear: the US is paradise for immigrants. You would not believe the pure economic calculations and soullessness that my northern European country visits upon refugees and migrants. The State is an all powerful and all encompassing entity that crushes anyone in its path.

Broken_Hippo 4y ago

I moved from the US to a northern European country. Taxes are high, but not as high as taxes + health insurance premiums + copay was in the US. And I can tell you this: If I were to have children, they are going to have plenty more opportunity here than they would if I still lived in the US. Even if they are poor, they are likely to have food, housing, and medical care. If you lack things like food, housing, and medical care, moving to the US might seem like a viable option, though.