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This makes me hopeful that VIN spoofing on Tesla superchargers with a cloned adapter will work at some point for other vehicles. If a proprietary cable auth chi

This makes me hopeful that VIN spoofing on Tesla superchargers with a cloned adapter will work at some point for other vehicles. If a proprietary cable auth chip can get reversed that hard - why not an "open spec" ev charging protocol/cable/adapter?

mschuster91 4y ago
> This makes me hopeful that VIN spoofing on Tesla superchargers with a cloned adapter will work at some point for other vehicles. Some jurisdictions take stealing energy as a crime. Germany, for example, has up to five years of prison on the books [1]. Kids, don't mess around with energy if you don't exactly know what the f..k you are doing and know the legal and technical risks involved. [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__248c.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__248c.html
- gsich 4y ago
  That law doesn't seem to apply.
  - brookst 4y ago
    I think the point was that stealing energy is likely to be seen as a crime in general, not that this specific law applies to this specific hypothetical. In general stealing anything is frowned upon and is at best a temporary imbalance in technical ability to steal versus economic incentives to stop theft.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    Someone using a VIN spoofer to free-ride or enjoy lower rates on Tesla's supercharger with their own vehicle is definitely acting unauthorized. Besides, courts have ruled that even charging a phone at your workplace without authorization fulfilled the criteria, the case was only thrown out later on because firing someone over stealing 1.6 cents worth of electricity after 19 years of employment is ridiculous [1]. [1] https://www.rodorf.de/03_stgb/bt_14_248c.htm https://www.rodorf.de/03_stgb/bt_14_248c.htm
    - gsich 4y ago
      Yes, but unauthorized is not what the law says. The law is about using a wrong conductor to steal energy. Not the case when the charging hardware is not modified.
- WaxProlix 4y ago
  1. That's not really a deterrent to the hacker mindset, necessarily. 2. The idea is you'd be tricking the supercharger into letting you pay for it, not necessarily stealing it.

mschuster91 4y ago

> This makes me hopeful that VIN spoofing on Tesla superchargers with a cloned adapter will work at some point for other vehicles. Some jurisdictions take stealing energy as a crime. Germany, for example, has up to five years of prison on the books [1]. Kids, don't mess around with energy if you don't exactly know what the f..k you are doing and know the legal and technical risks involved. [1] https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__248c.html https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__248c.html

gsich 4y ago
That law doesn't seem to apply.
- brookst 4y ago
  I think the point was that stealing energy is likely to be seen as a crime in general, not that this specific law applies to this specific hypothetical. In general stealing anything is frowned upon and is at best a temporary imbalance in technical ability to steal versus economic incentives to stop theft.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  Someone using a VIN spoofer to free-ride or enjoy lower rates on Tesla's supercharger with their own vehicle is definitely acting unauthorized. Besides, courts have ruled that even charging a phone at your workplace without authorization fulfilled the criteria, the case was only thrown out later on because firing someone over stealing 1.6 cents worth of electricity after 19 years of employment is ridiculous [1]. [1] https://www.rodorf.de/03_stgb/bt_14_248c.htm https://www.rodorf.de/03_stgb/bt_14_248c.htm
  - gsich 4y ago
    Yes, but unauthorized is not what the law says. The law is about using a wrong conductor to steal energy. Not the case when the charging hardware is not modified.
WaxProlix 4y ago
1. That's not really a deterrent to the hacker mindset, necessarily. 2. The idea is you'd be tricking the supercharger into letting you pay for it, not necessarily stealing it.