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Tangentially related, Spain's coasts are public domain and therefore do not require freedom to roam: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_de_Costas_de_Espa%C3%B1a

Tangentially related, Spain's coasts are public domain and therefore do not require freedom to roam: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_de_Costas_de_Espa%C3%B1a https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ley_de_Costas_de_Espa%C3%B1a (Unfortunately, English Wikipedia does not have a translation)

TaylorAlexander 4y ago
California’s coasts as well!
- geethree 4y ago
  With plenty of dark patterns by rich coastal homeowners to obscure access. Think GDPR/ePrivacy directive cookie consent practices, but for beach access.
  - sgt 4y ago
    Vinod Khosla
    - geethree 4y ago
      TIL! Thanks. https://www.kqed.org/science/1955623/the-neverending-battle-over-martins-beach-explained https://www.kqed.org/science/1955623/the-neverending-battle-...
- Mezzie 4y ago
  Michigan's Great Lakes Coastlines as well.
hutzlibu 4y ago
This is interesting, because I definitely encountered beaches, that were private, but it has been before 2018, until a transition period changed, so maybe that changed? And otherwise I found spanish land (around Huelva) to be strictly divided by barbed wire fences with no clear way of knowing whether I entered private property or not, by following public (dirt) roads, when hiking. Not so nice for wildlife as well.
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- DoingIsLearning 4y ago
  Beach shoreline is public but sometimes there are no public footpaths specially around cliffs or rocky shoreline. Legally though you could still access those beaches by boat or swimming and you would not be trespassing.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    Well, I was referring to fences on the beach. But like I said, it has been before 2018 at which time apparently a transition period ended, so maybe (and hopefully) they are not there anymore? I really like the concept of open beaches.
belter 4y ago
Also Portugal has no legal concept of private beach, although some Algarve hotels try to make access difficult in a somewhat misleading way. This is a good legal overview: "Beach Access, Property Rights, and Social-Distributive Questions: A Cross-National Legal Perspective of Fifteen Countries" - https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/7/4237/htm https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/7/4237/htm The extent of shoreline is different per countries that enforce it: https://www.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-14-04237/article_deploy/html/images/sustainability-14-04237-g002-550.jpg https://www.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-14-04237/...

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

California’s coasts as well!

geethree 4y ago
With plenty of dark patterns by rich coastal homeowners to obscure access. Think GDPR/ePrivacy directive cookie consent practices, but for beach access.
- sgt 4y ago
  Vinod Khosla
  - geethree 4y ago
    TIL! Thanks. https://www.kqed.org/science/1955623/the-neverending-battle-over-martins-beach-explained https://www.kqed.org/science/1955623/the-neverending-battle-...
Mezzie 4y ago
Michigan's Great Lakes Coastlines as well.

hutzlibu 4y ago

This is interesting, because I definitely encountered beaches, that were private, but it has been before 2018, until a transition period changed, so maybe that changed? And otherwise I found spanish land (around Huelva) to be strictly divided by barbed wire fences with no clear way of knowing whether I entered private property or not, by following public (dirt) roads, when hiking. Not so nice for wildlife as well.

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DoingIsLearning 4y ago
Beach shoreline is public but sometimes there are no public footpaths specially around cliffs or rocky shoreline. Legally though you could still access those beaches by boat or swimming and you would not be trespassing.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  Well, I was referring to fences on the beach. But like I said, it has been before 2018 at which time apparently a transition period ended, so maybe (and hopefully) they are not there anymore? I really like the concept of open beaches.

belter 4y ago

Also Portugal has no legal concept of private beach, although some Algarve hotels try to make access difficult in a somewhat misleading way. This is a good legal overview: "Beach Access, Property Rights, and Social-Distributive Questions: A Cross-National Legal Perspective of Fifteen Countries" - https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/7/4237/htm https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/7/4237/htm The extent of shoreline is different per countries that enforce it: https://www.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-14-04237/article_deploy/html/images/sustainability-14-04237-g002-550.jpg https://www.mdpi.com/sustainability/sustainability-14-04237/...