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How is the Chinese government going to control the flow of information in China once all phones do this and traffic need not leave the Starlink network to allow

How is the Chinese government going to control the flow of information in China once all phones do this and traffic need not leave the Starlink network to allow communication between endpoints?

ROTMetro 4y ago
How are governments going to collect taxes once people use crypto across this for thier transactions?
- ipv6ipv4 4y ago
  The U.S. government still has jurisdiction over Starlink. As for crypto currencies, they seem irrelevant to this topic.
  - b112 4y ago
    It's also weird, as cash predates crypto, and is actually untraceable.
    - kzrdude 4y ago
      Which is also weird because every banknote has a unique number. So it's better traceable if we wanted to.
      - b112 4y ago
        Sure. We could roll-out the infra, but can you imagine? I give you $20, and I go to jail if I don't mark down the serial, and report it. Or, if I cannot account for where serial $x went to, after it was given to me. All stores, etc have to do the same. People would freak out if told to do this. Yet this is precisely what is happening with debit/credit cards worldwide. This level of tracking is slowly begin kicked on everywhere. For example, by law, the DHS in the US has access to all credit(and effectively debit, which uses the same clearing process) transactions. The US just rolled over after 9/11, completely bizarre. I literally don't get people.
        kzrdude 4y ago
        Realistically, when such systems roll out they happen to easily regulatable entites (shops) and not to private people. So every costco or bank would have a machine to track the bills by number and it would go from there. Not that I want this to happen, but it's perfectly imaginable. Yeah, the floodgates of information into surveillance, they are just completely open and people are way past caring. It's just too much to understand. And like Snowden says, of all that "metadata", you don't need much of it to do the meaningful tracking you need.
- astrange 4y ago
  Probably once the people give up after North Korea steals all their crypto.

How is the Chinese government going to control the flow of information in China once all phones do this and traffic need not leave the Starlink network to allow communication between endpoints?

ROTMetro 4y ago

How are governments going to collect taxes once people use crypto across this for thier transactions?

ipv6ipv4 4y ago
The U.S. government still has jurisdiction over Starlink. As for crypto currencies, they seem irrelevant to this topic.
- b112 4y ago
  It's also weird, as cash predates crypto, and is actually untraceable.
  - kzrdude 4y ago
    Which is also weird because every banknote has a unique number. So it's better traceable if we wanted to.
    - b112 4y ago
      Sure. We could roll-out the infra, but can you imagine? I give you $20, and I go to jail if I don't mark down the serial, and report it. Or, if I cannot account for where serial $x went to, after it was given to me. All stores, etc have to do the same. People would freak out if told to do this. Yet this is precisely what is happening with debit/credit cards worldwide. This level of tracking is slowly begin kicked on everywhere. For example, by law, the DHS in the US has access to all credit(and effectively debit, which uses the same clearing process) transactions. The US just rolled over after 9/11, completely bizarre. I literally don't get people.
      - kzrdude 4y ago
        Realistically, when such systems roll out they happen to easily regulatable entites (shops) and not to private people. So every costco or bank would have a machine to track the bills by number and it would go from there. Not that I want this to happen, but it's perfectly imaginable. Yeah, the floodgates of information into surveillance, they are just completely open and people are way past caring. It's just too much to understand. And like Snowden says, of all that "metadata", you don't need much of it to do the meaningful tracking you need.
astrange 4y ago
Probably once the people give up after North Korea steals all their crypto.