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Your Amish farmer killed someone with his natural milk: > It all started in 2016, when two listeriosis illnesses that occured in 2014 were traced back to raw m

by Jochim 4y ago

Your Amish farmer killed someone with his natural milk: > It all started in 2016, when two listeriosis illnesses that occured in 2014 were traced back to raw milk sold by Miller’s Organic Farm. Both infected people had to be hospitalized, and one tragically died from the illness. These requirements exist to reduce the likelihood of people dying from the food they consume. We do not have the same patterns of consumption as "the good old days" making some types of untreated produce much more dangerous. We also have greater expectations regarding how many people we expect to die from food related illness.

luxuryballs 4y ago
Hardly the point. You should be allowed to take risks. Also did he really kill the person with milk? This makes it sound intentional, I highly doubt it.
- drekk 4y ago
  I'm sure the dead person's family is put at peace by the Amish farmer's intention. He didn't mean to kill him—he just didn't follow food safety procedures that were established for the specific reason of preventing illness and disease. If you want to take risks make your own raw milk or fresh meat. Once you're selling food you have some liability where not killing your customers is concerned.
- Jochim 4y ago
  > Hardly the point. You should be allowed to take risks. Sure, but society has largely decided that you shouldn't be allowed to take risks with other people's lives. I'm perfectly happy for you to squirt milk into your mouth straight out of the udder for as long as you like. I'm not happy to allow charlatans to lie about how much healthier and safer it is than pasteurised milk while selling it to people who don't know any better. > Also did he really kill the person with milk? This makes it sound intentional, I highly doubt it. I might agree with you if the man had changed anything after finding out that his milk had lead to multiple hospitalisations and a death. Unfortunately I can't as that wasn't the case: > "They use it as a medicine," Miller said in a 2021 interview. "It’s very healing to the body because it’s raw." Given the context I find this statement repugnant. Profiting from the sale of food while refusing to follow food safety regulations and actively hampering their enforcement is exactly the kind of sociopathic behaviour that institutions of correction should be dealing with.
objetovoador 4y ago
Should we ban sushi or raw seafood?
- drekk 4y ago
  We have very specific regulations regarding the storing and preparation of raw fish. Just like we do for raw milk and other foodstuffs that can kill people. Some might find the "red tape" annoying, but it's why we've all but eliminated, for example, botulism deaths
  - objetovoador 4y ago
    But you're saying raw milk shouldn't be consumed. Though raw fish is fine?
- Jochim 4y ago
  The sale of untreated seafood is banned most places. The vast majority of seafood will have been processed by freezing it below a specific temperature for at least the required length of time. Sounds a lot like cold pasteurisation to me. Exemptions typically seem to be granted for seafood not susceptible to problematic parasites/bacteria or where it will be cooked by a facility shortly after it arrives.

by Jochim 4y ago

luxuryballs 4y ago

Hardly the point. You should be allowed to take risks. Also did he really kill the person with milk? This makes it sound intentional, I highly doubt it.

drekk 4y ago
I'm sure the dead person's family is put at peace by the Amish farmer's intention. He didn't mean to kill him—he just didn't follow food safety procedures that were established for the specific reason of preventing illness and disease. If you want to take risks make your own raw milk or fresh meat. Once you're selling food you have some liability where not killing your customers is concerned.
Jochim 4y ago
> Hardly the point. You should be allowed to take risks. Sure, but society has largely decided that you shouldn't be allowed to take risks with other people's lives. I'm perfectly happy for you to squirt milk into your mouth straight out of the udder for as long as you like. I'm not happy to allow charlatans to lie about how much healthier and safer it is than pasteurised milk while selling it to people who don't know any better. > Also did he really kill the person with milk? This makes it sound intentional, I highly doubt it. I might agree with you if the man had changed anything after finding out that his milk had lead to multiple hospitalisations and a death. Unfortunately I can't as that wasn't the case: > "They use it as a medicine," Miller said in a 2021 interview. "It’s very healing to the body because it’s raw." Given the context I find this statement repugnant. Profiting from the sale of food while refusing to follow food safety regulations and actively hampering their enforcement is exactly the kind of sociopathic behaviour that institutions of correction should be dealing with.

objetovoador 4y ago

Should we ban sushi or raw seafood?

drekk 4y ago
We have very specific regulations regarding the storing and preparation of raw fish. Just like we do for raw milk and other foodstuffs that can kill people. Some might find the "red tape" annoying, but it's why we've all but eliminated, for example, botulism deaths
- objetovoador 4y ago
  But you're saying raw milk shouldn't be consumed. Though raw fish is fine?
Jochim 4y ago
The sale of untreated seafood is banned most places. The vast majority of seafood will have been processed by freezing it below a specific temperature for at least the required length of time. Sounds a lot like cold pasteurisation to me. Exemptions typically seem to be granted for seafood not susceptible to problematic parasites/bacteria or where it will be cooked by a facility shortly after it arrives.