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I've been closely following Musk/Tesla since 2014. It is been very interesting watching "experts" write Musk off as a software guy that doesn't understand cars
by gitfan86 4y ago
I've been closely following Musk/Tesla since 2014. It is been very interesting watching "experts" write Musk off as a software guy that doesn't understand cars 2014-2019, to watching people claim that TSLA will hit "10k/share" 2020-2022, to today watching people claim that Elon is a fraud.
The reality is that he has been acting exactly the same way for the past 20 years. Nothing has changed except the observers.
- Apocryphon 4y agoSurely he seemed far more serious and less of a culture war-dabbling, controversy-courting troll twenty years ago. His clear shift towards messiness was at least four years ago, with his unnecessary statements and actions during the Thai soccer team cave crisis.
- zadler 4y agoWhich is also consistent with aging in general which can reduce inhibition/filtering
- gitfan86 4y agoNo that is just when you started reading articles about how crazy he was. If you want to get up to speed start with the 2015 biography by Ashlee Vance.
- djbusby 4y agoMore than one book https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/761595.Ashlee_Vance https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/761595.Ashlee_Vance
- jacquesm 4y agoFor me there is a pre-cave-diver and post-cave-diver Musk, that's the time when he utterly lost it and it's been a downhill ride from there. Maybe there were earlier harbingers that were equally strong but I must have missed those.
- coffeebeqn 4y agoI’m surprised there never was a lawsuit from that? I certainly would’ve sued a billionaire for defaming me to millions of people in a disgusting way
- lapcat 4y agoThere was a lawsuit: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/elon-musk-defamation-verdict.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/business/elon-musk-defama...
- mikeyouse 4y agoUnfortunately the cave diver hired one of the most incompetent attorneys in America to represent him in what should have been an open-and-shut case. After blowing the Musk suit, Lin Wood went on to promote every asinine conspiracy theory during the 2020 election and was sanctioned by several different states and a Federal Judge for his conduct. I do wonder if that case had gone differently if Musk would’ve been chided a bit more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Lin_Wood https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Lin_Wood
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- ChuckMcM 4y agoThere was a great post on Twitter from someone who said basically as long as Elon is talking about something he didn't understand deeply he sounded like a genius but when he started talking about something he did, software in this case, he sounded like an idiot. I have always made this same comment about movies, where script writers can make something that I don't know about believable but when it came time to talk about networking or hacking or computers, it always seemed so lame. I realized that "sounding accurate" and "being accurate" were actually orthogonal characteristics of discourse. It has always been the case where I adjust my 'believability index' by what is accomplished rather than by what is said. I suspect there are very smart capable people at Tesla and SpaceX who are pulling off miracles but not getting credit for it. If that is true, I wish I knew who they were because I have mad respect for what they have done.
- Apocryphon 4y agoWe are witnessing firsthand the breakdown of a reality distortion field.
- sharikous 4y agoAnd that's a pity because this kind of reality distortion fields fuels innovation, a lot
- Apocryphon 4y agoYou also need low interest rates for that. Wait for the next round of ZIRP.
- MobileVet 4y agoI said this to my wife just yesterday. Elon and his teams have dove amazing things… but the reality has always been enhanced with an RDF. I have been in the game long enough to understand the use but eventually you have to make good. It is stunning that there haven’t been lawsuits about ‘Full Self Driving’ and that it has taken the Feds this long to raise eyebrows about it
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- jiggawatts 4y agoYou can write the exact same comment, word-for-word in 2018 about Elon and get upvoted, but downvoted in 2022. My opinion of him hasn’t changed, he hasn’t changed, and most of the realities of Tesla haven’t changed in that time frame.
- Apocryphon 4y agoI mean, he clearly spends a lot more time airing out his own dirty laundry on social media now. Previously it might have seemed to be a clever guerrilla PR tactic, now it often just seems petty and sad.
- rvnx 4y agoWhy publish the "Twitter files"? If it makes the situation more risky for Twitter and more likely to be sued. If Twitter did something wrong or illegal in the past, couldn't it be held accountable today and have to pay a fine or compensation? Sounds like stepping on your own foot.
- Apocryphon 4y agoThe Twitter Files are an interesting play, to jump into culture war discourse and get political and cast himself as a free speech crusader, better than the old order. But that’s not the dirty laundry I meant. I just mean all of the replies to the Twitter peanut gallery and reposting lame memes and looking generally boorish, rude, and unhip. He doesn’t have to do any of that, yet he chooses to.
- danaris 4y agoIt reads to me like he's desperately trying to prove that his acquisition of Twitter was a good thing; that the people in charge before were Bad, and he is Good. The fact that it has turned into such an obvious nothingburger just highlights how out of touch with reality Elon has become, and how badly he needs to feel like people like him.
- AnEro 4y agoI have as well and agree he is still acting the same however I don't think that automatically means he is in a good position. I think we are just now watching his marketing machine collapse, and now we are seeing the markets' evaluation of his companies if he isn't seen as a genius.