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Except, that Tesla is making the "ink" quite cheap! (Because they know that making it cheap and convenient is the best way to dominate the market.)

falcolas 4y ago
So did early printer manufacturers. Hooking users on cheap products to get them bought into the ecosystem, only to hike rates later, is an incredibly common business practice.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  How does that work? I don’t buy their ink and there is no requirement for me to do so.
  - danaris 4y ago
    If Tesla owns a large percentage of the charging stations—particularly ones in otherwise-underserved areas—they can hike the prices for the people who have to charge there.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      I wonder how many places there are with only Tesla chargers. Usually I find that an EA charger will fill gaps in the Tesla coverage out west, they're sort of complimentary. And since a Tesla can charge at a supercharger OR a CCS charger, they don't really have a lot of leverage to indiscriminately raise prices.
emkoemko 4y ago
Musk guaranteed $0.07 kw to charge the semi but now its $0.50 making it two times more expensive then diesel so not sure how that will dominate the market?
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Why do semi owners have to buy electricity from Musk?
  - cma 4y ago
    They can make their own charger since he opened the patents: all they have to do is agree to let Tesla have license to all of their own patents and they also agree to not copy any of Tesla's designs that aren't even covered by patent or copyright or provide "material assistance" to anyone who does. Essentially they can use the patents if they accept something stronger than patents: no copying Tesla's unpatented designs or they can go back and get you for the patent violation in perpetuity (or statute of limitations).
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      The Semi isn't using Tesla's proprietary or NACS connector, however, it's using MCS.
  - emkoemko 4y ago
    that's what you get from that? he tells you they will guarantee $0.07 kw and that it will be cheaper then diesel to run to me this was a scam for PR and the getting people to preorder. Then we have the AI driving the trucks and in "convoys" that we now hear nothing about, yet he said it was already able to do today "2017" what we got is a truck that no one knows its weights so you can't tell how much it can move in cargo, that costs two times more to operate with a very limited range unless you want to destroy your batteries really quickly but hey they did engineer the best phone charger for it....
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      > that's what you get from that? I got that "electricity is 0.50" is a claim not backed up by reality.

falcolas 4y ago

So did early printer manufacturers. Hooking users on cheap products to get them bought into the ecosystem, only to hike rates later, is an incredibly common business practice.

rootusrootus 4y ago
How does that work? I don’t buy their ink and there is no requirement for me to do so.
- danaris 4y ago
  If Tesla owns a large percentage of the charging stations—particularly ones in otherwise-underserved areas—they can hike the prices for the people who have to charge there.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I wonder how many places there are with only Tesla chargers. Usually I find that an EA charger will fill gaps in the Tesla coverage out west, they're sort of complimentary. And since a Tesla can charge at a supercharger OR a CCS charger, they don't really have a lot of leverage to indiscriminately raise prices.

emkoemko 4y ago

Musk guaranteed $0.07 kw to charge the semi but now its $0.50 making it two times more expensive then diesel so not sure how that will dominate the market?

rootusrootus 4y ago
Why do semi owners have to buy electricity from Musk?
- cma 4y ago
  They can make their own charger since he opened the patents: all they have to do is agree to let Tesla have license to all of their own patents and they also agree to not copy any of Tesla's designs that aren't even covered by patent or copyright or provide "material assistance" to anyone who does. Essentially they can use the patents if they accept something stronger than patents: no copying Tesla's unpatented designs or they can go back and get you for the patent violation in perpetuity (or statute of limitations).
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    The Semi isn't using Tesla's proprietary or NACS connector, however, it's using MCS.
- emkoemko 4y ago
  that's what you get from that? he tells you they will guarantee $0.07 kw and that it will be cheaper then diesel to run to me this was a scam for PR and the getting people to preorder. Then we have the AI driving the trucks and in "convoys" that we now hear nothing about, yet he said it was already able to do today "2017" what we got is a truck that no one knows its weights so you can't tell how much it can move in cargo, that costs two times more to operate with a very limited range unless you want to destroy your batteries really quickly but hey they did engineer the best phone charger for it....
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > that's what you get from that? I got that "electricity is 0.50" is a claim not backed up by reality.