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GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt and the Cadillac Lyriq. I’d happily buy either of them over a Tesla. Ford has the Mustang and the L
by selykg 4y ago
GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt and the Cadillac Lyriq. I’d happily buy either of them over a Tesla.
Ford has the Mustang and the Lightning.
I’ve seen all of these on the roads recently. As many, if not more than I see Teslas. I am not in California where Tesla probably has a locational advantage due to the infrastructure being better for EVs.
Thinking Tesla is the only company investing in electric is insane. GM and Ford’s body panel alignment embarrasses these Teslas too.
- stcredzero 4y agoGM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt and the Cadillac Lyriq. I’d happily buy either of them over a Tesla. Until you have to use Electrify America. Good luck with that!
- samth 4y agoI've had a Bolt for more than a year (it's a great car) and I don't know what Electrify America is. (Looked it up, it's a network of charging stations)
- kubota 4y agoI'm excited for the Silverado EV work truck, Chevy is promising it will tow 20,000lbs by 2024, and seems very reasonably priced ~ $39k.
- _huayra_ 4y agoFrom what I've seen on youtube / auto magazines, towing with an EV takes a massive hit to its range, way more than a diesel truck. If it's only an occasional thing (e.g. take the boat to the lake on the weekends, now with an extra hour sitting at a charger), then it's probably a good tradeoff. If hauling is your job, it might not be there yet :(
- gitfan86 4y agoWhat is the range of the truck that GM will sell to the general public at 39k in 2024 with 20k towing capacity?
- akomtu 4y agoChevy is lying. It will tow 20,000lbs, but for 50 miles only, and it will cost $40k, but for a nonexistent trim that comes without battery and wheels. Real specs will be 5,000lbs x 250 miles @ $100k (with taxes and other bs).
- hacym 4y agoFord has already released an F150 EV that starts under $40k.
- rootusrootus 4y agoMight want to check prices again.
- rasz 4y agoActual official starting price is $52K. But still - I have a deal of a lifetime for you. Ill buy 100 of them from you right now paying $62K cash money. You have a chance of a lifetime to make a cool $1mil shuffling some paper. How about it? pro tip: they lie, thats what desperate car companies do.
- hacym 4y agoHow are they lying? Lol For the record, I don’t tell Fords. If you’re referring to the inability to get one… yeah, it’s extremely popular.
- rasz 4y agoIts not popular, its manufactured in small numbers (few thousand per month) and sold at huge dealer premiums. Chevy is lying about the price same way Ford was. Nobody bought Lightning at msrp other than brand advocates and media personalities (certain youtubers magically get allocated unobtanium cars skipping queue and sticker price).
- hacym 4y ago
- rasz 4y agoWould you like to buy a slightly used bridge in Brooklyn?
- gitfan86 4y agoHow many Lyriq's do you think will be delivered in 2023? What do you think the margins on those are going to be?
- henrikschroder 4y agoWhen I was in Sweden this summer, I was really surprised by the amount of EVs on the roads, and how 90% of them were not Teslas. Quite the contrast to California, or Hawaii, where it's 90% Tesla, and a small handful of others. It's not hard to see what competition is going to do to Tesla's marketshare in the US once all those models are introduced here.
- jacquesm 4y agoSweden = Europe, Hawaii = USA. But in neighboring Norway you'd find a ton of Teslas, when before Tesla an American made car would be a very strange sight there (Ford excepted, but not the USA versions of Ford).
- ahartmetz 4y agoYou didn't claim otherwise, but Ford does a lot of engineering and manufacturing in Europe, particularly the Cologne area. In European Ford models, the most American things are maybe the company itself and the infotainment software.
- jacquesm 4y agoIn the UK as well, I believe.
- henrikschroder 4y agoYes, because Norway was way ahead of the curve on EV adoption for a bunch of reasons. However, Tesla is down to a 10% market-share in Norway as well, so they completely squandered their first-mover advantage there as well. Apparently the "dinosaurs" managed to ramp up and pivot quite nicely despite what everyone said.
- rootusrootus 4y ago> Norway was way ahead of the curve on EV adoption for a bunch of reasons Ironic given how much they benefited from exporting pollution to the rest of the planet.
- rasz 4y ago>GM have been doing really well with both the crossover Bolt recalled for burning down houses >Ford has the Mustang and the Lightning. truck with range going down to less than 30-40% if its slightly cold or if you tow an empty trailer