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The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. There is literally nothing

The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. There is literally nothing else anywhere near as important. Literally everything matters less. To equate those two things is disingenuous and offensive.

Veen 4y ago
Attention and support aren’t the same thing. Their stupid behaviour makes it less likely the general population will support climate action—few people want to be associated with these morons.
randomsearch 4y ago
Does that mean murdering people in the cause of climate change prevention is ok? I don’t think literally everything else matters less. I don’t think there’s a simple “matters” scale. Most crucially, an important cause in itself does not justify any means whatsoever.
karteum 4y ago
I also agree that we desperately need more attention on climate change. In addition to that, to my knowledge no art was actually damaged by climate change protestors (who mostly projected soup on a glass, not directly on paintings...)
- aflag 4y ago
  That's not accurate. They did destroy actual art. After a quick google search: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campaign-throwing-food-art-work-rcna54626 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campai... Is that really the kind of attention we need to the problem? Some lunatics destroying master pieces?
  - corndoge 4y ago
    After a quick scan of the article you linked: > ...Like the other targeted artworks, the painting was not damaged by the stunt... This means that the artwork was not actually damaged, which is also exactly what the person you replied to said, so this article doesn't back up your claim at all
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robertlagrant 4y ago
Attention won't help. We have loads of attention. Tesla started 15 years ago, which is when it needed to to push through all the incredible issues needed to be solved to have electric cars being viable. We are seeing great breakthroughs in renewables, and - partly thanks to Putin, ironically possibly the top attention-raiser - in nuclear, as burning gas beats burning coal, but not when someone else can turn off the tap. People glueing their hands to priceless paintings do not feature in any of these decades-long progressions. They convince no one who isn't already convinced, and put everyone else off.
aflag 4y ago
That makes no sense. How is defacing art helping fight climate change? How does that reduce emissions or remove CO2 from the atmosphere? It doesn't. Also, it's terrible PR for anyone advocating for people to change behaviour in order to reduce their environmental impact. So, I think it's safe to say they are doing more harm than good.
- corndoge 4y ago
  No art was defaced, they intentionally targeted art with protective covers, and if you are curious re: their rationale you can read it here https://juststopoil.org/2022/10/16/why-art-why-now/ https://juststopoil.org/2022/10/16/why-art-why-now/ excerpt: > The painting is unharmed – the action was planned knowing it was properly protected. But there’s still been a huge outcry with people asking: why attack art? Why go after something as precious as human creativity, culture and beauty?
ars 4y ago
> The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. They also did nothing right. Their stunt is 100% useless. > We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Yah, that's not even remotely true. Who is making you think that? There could be disruption, people will have to change what is farmed where, people might need to move, animals will have different ranges. But human race die out? Not in the slightest.
- GolfPopper 4y ago
  Our genetics probably won't die out. (There are a lot of us, and we're pretty resilient as a species.) But our culture? Our ideas, stories, values, history, even our technology stack? Those seem likely to be far more fragile that mere survival. I think "could be disruption" is selling it short - as a species, we've invested thousands of years into a particular pattern of fairly stable climate. Now, we're going to see that pattern change and simultaneously become less stable. I don't think collapse of modern civilization within the next century is guaranteed, but it seems a dangerous level of possible.
  - ars 4y ago
    This is the kind of hyperbole that makes people ignore climate activists. No, none of that is going to happen. Humans are incredibly adaptable, and climate change is incredibly slow. There will be change, and everyone will be just fine.
spritefs 4y ago
> We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Imo renewable energy and and EVs are worthwhile because of air pollution, but we can do without the fearmongering about the world ending. Historically every time people have done that it was a load of BS
- BuckRogers 4y ago
  Yes and no. CFCs were going to end poorly without global action. Venus would be inhabitable without a runaway greenhouse effect. That can happen here. No one knows the future. We should default on taking reasonable precautions.

Veen 4y ago

Attention and support aren’t the same thing. Their stupid behaviour makes it less likely the general population will support climate action—few people want to be associated with these morons.

randomsearch 4y ago

Does that mean murdering people in the cause of climate change prevention is ok? I don’t think literally everything else matters less. I don’t think there’s a simple “matters” scale. Most crucially, an important cause in itself does not justify any means whatsoever.

karteum 4y ago

I also agree that we desperately need more attention on climate change. In addition to that, to my knowledge no art was actually damaged by climate change protestors (who mostly projected soup on a glass, not directly on paintings...)

aflag 4y ago
That's not accurate. They did destroy actual art. After a quick google search: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campaign-throwing-food-art-work-rcna54626 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-protesters-campai... Is that really the kind of attention we need to the problem? Some lunatics destroying master pieces?
- corndoge 4y ago
  After a quick scan of the article you linked: > ...Like the other targeted artworks, the painting was not damaged by the stunt... This means that the artwork was not actually damaged, which is also exactly what the person you replied to said, so this article doesn't back up your claim at all
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robertlagrant 4y ago

Attention won't help. We have loads of attention. Tesla started 15 years ago, which is when it needed to to push through all the incredible issues needed to be solved to have electric cars being viable. We are seeing great breakthroughs in renewables, and - partly thanks to Putin, ironically possibly the top attention-raiser - in nuclear, as burning gas beats burning coal, but not when someone else can turn off the tap. People glueing their hands to priceless paintings do not feature in any of these decades-long progressions. They convince no one who isn't already convinced, and put everyone else off.

aflag 4y ago

That makes no sense. How is defacing art helping fight climate change? How does that reduce emissions or remove CO2 from the atmosphere? It doesn't. Also, it's terrible PR for anyone advocating for people to change behaviour in order to reduce their environmental impact. So, I think it's safe to say they are doing more harm than good.

corndoge 4y ago
No art was defaced, they intentionally targeted art with protective covers, and if you are curious re: their rationale you can read it here https://juststopoil.org/2022/10/16/why-art-why-now/ https://juststopoil.org/2022/10/16/why-art-why-now/ excerpt: > The painting is unharmed – the action was planned knowing it was properly protected. But there’s still been a huge outcry with people asking: why attack art? Why go after something as precious as human creativity, culture and beauty?

ars 4y ago

> The climate change protestors did nothing wrong. They also did nothing right. Their stunt is 100% useless. > We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Yah, that's not even remotely true. Who is making you think that? There could be disruption, people will have to change what is farmed where, people might need to move, animals will have different ranges. But human race die out? Not in the slightest.

GolfPopper 4y ago
Our genetics probably won't die out. (There are a lot of us, and we're pretty resilient as a species.) But our culture? Our ideas, stories, values, history, even our technology stack? Those seem likely to be far more fragile that mere survival. I think "could be disruption" is selling it short - as a species, we've invested thousands of years into a particular pattern of fairly stable climate. Now, we're going to see that pattern change and simultaneously become less stable. I don't think collapse of modern civilization within the next century is guaranteed, but it seems a dangerous level of possible.
- ars 4y ago
  This is the kind of hyperbole that makes people ignore climate activists. No, none of that is going to happen. Humans are incredibly adaptable, and climate change is incredibly slow. There will be change, and everyone will be just fine.

spritefs 4y ago

> We desperately need more attention on climate change or the human race will die out. Imo renewable energy and and EVs are worthwhile because of air pollution, but we can do without the fearmongering about the world ending. Historically every time people have done that it was a load of BS

BuckRogers 4y ago
Yes and no. CFCs were going to end poorly without global action. Venus would be inhabitable without a runaway greenhouse effect. That can happen here. No one knows the future. We should default on taking reasonable precautions.