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I wish I had the ability to look into the timing of shadow bans with the time of suicide. I have a strong suspicion I would be disgusted by the answer. If you

by iinnPP 4y ago

I wish I had the ability to look into the timing of shadow bans with the time of suicide. I have a strong suspicion I would be disgusted by the answer. If you do have that ability, please do. You only need access to one of the two sources to determine the answer.

GauntletWizard 4y ago
This reminds me of the incident that led to me quitting Facebook: There was an article[1] about Facebook manipulation of users news feeds, and I had just joined the company. So, I looked into it, and found without much effort the dataset and analysis of that experiment. One of the fields was "CauseOfDeath" and one of the analyses was that feeding a user all negative news created some whole-digit percentage increase in the suicide rate of users. This was presented matter-of-factly, and none of my coworkers seemed to see a problem with this. Many of Facebook's experiments would never pass a IRB. Actually, that's not true at all: modern IRBs have been stacked with the same kind of monsters. Facebook would never pass a sane and functional IRB. [1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/... is the one I found with a quick search, though there were a few dozen in quick succession over that time period; I think by timing it was probably one of the articles written in response to their apology that actually came to my attention first.
winternett 4y ago
The "influencers" also uphold the web of lies as much as execs do on social platforms, just as with crypto, it's really only insiders that win the game. It would be likely be quite telling if a paid ad was perhaps run from a shadowbanned account? Would the stats then be fake? Or could any message get a pass for money?

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I wish I had the ability to look into the timing of shadow bans with the time of suicide. I have a strong suspicion I would be disgusted by the answer. If you

by iinnPP 4y ago

GauntletWizard 4y ago
This reminds me of the incident that led to me quitting Facebook: There was an article[1] about Facebook manipulation of users news feeds, and I had just joined the company. So, I looked into it, and found without much effort the dataset and analysis of that experiment. One of the fields was "CauseOfDeath" and one of the analyses was that feeding a user all negative news created some whole-digit percentage increase in the suicide rate of users. This was presented matter-of-factly, and none of my coworkers seemed to see a problem with this. Many of Facebook's experiments would never pass a IRB. Actually, that's not true at all: modern IRBs have been stacked with the same kind of monsters. Facebook would never pass a sane and functional IRB. [1] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/29/facebook-users-emotions-news-feeds https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/technology/... is the one I found with a quick search, though there were a few dozen in quick succession over that time period; I think by timing it was probably one of the articles written in response to their apology that actually came to my attention first.
winternett 4y ago
The "influencers" also uphold the web of lies as much as execs do on social platforms, just as with crypto, it's really only insiders that win the game. It would be likely be quite telling if a paid ad was perhaps run from a shadowbanned account? Would the stats then be fake? Or could any message get a pass for money?