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Bridge building is accepted as engineering. Engineering is not science. Brunel could probably not have formulated the Theory of Relativity. Einstein could prob

Bridge building is accepted as engineering. Engineering is not science. Brunel could probably not have formulated the Theory of Relativity. Einstein could probably not have "built" the Great Western Railway. The application of science is not science.

oldstrangers 15y ago
So scientists create science, but non-scientists apply science? If a scientist were to ever apply science, perhaps like those working at CERN, they would ultimately become non-scientists? Wait, engineers _built_ CERN applying science, but scientists _use_ CERN ... using science. I think the only difference is that some scientists test science, and some scientists apply science. Is a doctor a scientist or an engineer? He's both testing and applying. Semantics are sometimes pretty stupid (or usually always), and honestly that's the only reason I'm pursuing this silly argument.
- urbanjunkie 15y ago
  Go and do some research into the difference between science and engineering. Then go and do some research into the difference between theoretical and experimental science. Just because you use science, doesn't mean you are a scientist. The application of science CAN be science, but often isn't. Pointless trolling is always pointless.
  - oldstrangers 15y ago
    I'm not trolling, I just think the semantics involved in this discussion are stupid. Scientist: A person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences. Seems rather open ended.
    - urbanjunkie 15y ago
      By your definition everyone is a scientist. What has Mark Zuckerberg done that can be called science. You should also cite your references - The Free Dictionary isn't particularly credible.
mjwalshe 15y ago
I would argue that finding out new things or developing a new model for some systems is "science" whether it is done by a "scientist" or a "engineer" For example you might not know that Brunell developed the design of efficient propellers for his ships. and navvies "built" the railways Brunell just designed every thing
- oldstrangers 15y ago
  Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only crazy person here.

oldstrangers 15y ago

So scientists create science, but non-scientists apply science? If a scientist were to ever apply science, perhaps like those working at CERN, they would ultimately become non-scientists? Wait, engineers _built_ CERN applying science, but scientists _use_ CERN ... using science. I think the only difference is that some scientists test science, and some scientists apply science. Is a doctor a scientist or an engineer? He's both testing and applying. Semantics are sometimes pretty stupid (or usually always), and honestly that's the only reason I'm pursuing this silly argument.

urbanjunkie 15y ago
Go and do some research into the difference between science and engineering. Then go and do some research into the difference between theoretical and experimental science. Just because you use science, doesn't mean you are a scientist. The application of science CAN be science, but often isn't. Pointless trolling is always pointless.
- oldstrangers 15y ago
  I'm not trolling, I just think the semantics involved in this discussion are stupid. Scientist: A person who is studying or has expert knowledge of one or more of the natural or physical sciences. Seems rather open ended.
  - urbanjunkie 15y ago
    By your definition everyone is a scientist. What has Mark Zuckerberg done that can be called science. You should also cite your references - The Free Dictionary isn't particularly credible.

mjwalshe 15y ago

I would argue that finding out new things or developing a new model for some systems is "science" whether it is done by a "scientist" or a "engineer" For example you might not know that Brunell developed the design of efficient propellers for his ships. and navvies "built" the railways Brunell just designed every thing

oldstrangers 15y ago
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only crazy person here.