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Curious to know where you see this false advertising? When you go to purchase Autopilot on the Tesla website [0], it says in the first sentence: "The currently

by gzer0 4y ago

Curious to know where you see this false advertising? When you go to purchase Autopilot on the Tesla website [0], it says in the first sentence: "The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." On Ford's website regarding their Blue Cruise[1]: "Blue Cruise allows you to operate your vehicle hands-free while being monitored by a driver-facing camera to make sure you're keeping your eyes on the road." If anything, Ford seems to be more bold and brazen with their approach here. [0] https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview [1] https://www.ford.com/technology/driver-assist-technology/#bluecruise https://www.ford.com/technology/driver-assist-technology/#bl...

maximinus_thrax 4y ago
Mixed signals https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time." "Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." "The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat."
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paulcole 4y ago
Here’s the part I see as false advertising: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. There is no way for Tesla to know that their cars have the hardware needed for full self-driving capabilities because they don’t know what hardware is needed for that. Also the branding of their “Autopilot” with a capital A allows them to make up whatever definition they want for it and lets customers (understandably) confuse it with the standard definition of “autopilot” without a capital A.
delecti 4y ago
The fact that on Tesla's site the feature is called "Full Self-Driving Capability" while Ford's is called "BlueCruise" seems to be a rather relevant difference. "Full Self-Driving" sure feels like false advertising to me, even if it doesn't legally qualify as such.
_Algernon_ 4y ago
They name it "Full self driving" and lean heavily on that marketing for one: https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot
clouddrover 4y ago
> Curious to know where you see this false advertising? Musk has been lying about full self-driving for years: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... Tesla has already been done for false advertising once in court. Tesla didn't even try to argue the case: https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-driving-computer-for-free-false-advertising/ https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr... Now Tesla is hoping to avoid being done for fraud by calling their "full self-driving" a "failure" instead of an outright fraud: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopilot-lawsuit/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopi... But with years worth of lies behind it, and especially because they've been selling it to customers and still haven't delivered it, it's tough to make the case that it isn't fraud.

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maximinus_thrax 4y ago

Mixed signals https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time." "Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous." "The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat."

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paulcole 4y ago

Here’s the part I see as false advertising: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot > Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities—through software updates designed to improve functionality over time. There is no way for Tesla to know that their cars have the hardware needed for full self-driving capabilities because they don’t know what hardware is needed for that. Also the branding of their “Autopilot” with a capital A allows them to make up whatever definition they want for it and lets customers (understandably) confuse it with the standard definition of “autopilot” without a capital A.

delecti 4y ago

The fact that on Tesla's site the feature is called "Full Self-Driving Capability" while Ford's is called "BlueCruise" seems to be a rather relevant difference. "Full Self-Driving" sure feels like false advertising to me, even if it doesn't legally qualify as such.

_Algernon_ 4y ago

They name it "Full self driving" and lean heavily on that marketing for one: https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot

clouddrover 4y ago

> Curious to know where you see this false advertising? Musk has been lying about full self-driving for years: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... Tesla has already been done for false advertising once in court. Tesla didn't even try to argue the case: https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-driving-computer-for-free-false-advertising/ https://electrek.co/2022/12/12/tesla-ordered-upgrade-self-dr... Now Tesla is hoping to avoid being done for fraud by calling their "full self-driving" a "failure" instead of an outright fraud: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopilot-lawsuit/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/12/business/tesla-fsd-autopi... But with years worth of lies behind it, and especially because they've been selling it to customers and still haven't delivered it, it's tough to make the case that it isn't fraud.